Electric cars.

[hoppyscotty]

Err chaps - electric cars?

Exactly.
You have all had your say about politicians and tax etc lets get back to discussing BEV.

<SNIP> If you missed my earlier request fair enough if you didn't you wasted a few minutes posting the bit i have removed - Admin.


Anyway back to BEV's, the latest news is that Porsche are investing heavily in ICE engine development. So it seems to me to be a perfectly sensible future solution to have a broad mix of different car and vehicle power plants where it might be the case that the majority of people stick with ICE, possibly in the future on fully synthetic fuels, again an area that Porsche is heavily investing in, and the remaining with BEV's and some form of Hybrid tech. I think Hydrogen has some advantages in pretty niche commercial and industrial applications, but really don't see it taking off for cars.

Just wish the governement would butt out and let the market decide what cars they want to drive. If EV's are so great and those EV evangelists are always harping on about them the market will flock to them just as they always flock to technologies that offer genuine benefits. Don't get me wrong, as an EV driver there is alot to like about them if your personal circumstances suit - for alot of people they don't. And if they don't offer benefits then all the more reason for the government to stop pushing us onto them especially since there is so much more to come from ICE engines in terms of emissions and efficiency improvements. It's the government interference and coercion that I object to.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

 

[Rodcx500z]

That's great if you live in a country that has deserts well not if your a bird, unfortunately we don't have any so filling the green fields with solar panels for the bit of sun we do get is a total waste of space and taxpayers money

 

[Chippy_Tea]

I am not suggesting we cover the whole of the UK in solar panels I was showing how other countries produce electricity.

For many years there has been talking of building a road from barrow in Furness to Lancaster across Morecambe bay this would give drivers a much faster and cheaper way of getting to the M6 and we could produce tidal electricity they could evenske it a toll road but all they do is talk there is no money but we can throw up windfarms all over the place and park most of them most of the time as we have no way of storing the electricity the parked ones could produce,

The anti BEV lot often say we will not be able to make enough electricity to power BEVs when the cut off time arrives and the majority of us are driving them I don't know if that is true but if projects like this road could get funding it would certainly help it not become a problem.

 

[Rodcx500z]

I wasn't saying cover the whole country i just they are a waste of time for generating large amounts of energy, great on a boat or a house in the med and places like that

 

[Chippy_Tea]

they are a waste of time for generating large amounts of energy,

Is 392 megawatts not a large amount when you consider the size of land the panels take up compared to wind farms and the fact other than the centre tower they will be invisible from the roads and surrounding area unlike those huge offshore wind farms that can be seen for miles.

 

[Rodcx500z]

Yeah but we would have to build one many many times bigger amount of sun we get

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Yeah but we would have to build one many many times bigger amount of sun we get

Again i will point out what i said in the first line of my post above (#2824)

I am not suggesting we cover the whole of the UK in solar panels I was showing how other countries produce electricity.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

There are many different ways to produce electric but all we do is put up turbines, we are surrounded by water why don't we try wave energy?

Here is the Morecambe bay road from Barrow to Lancaster i mentioned earlier -

 

[Chippy_Tea]

There are many different ways to produce electric but all we do is put up turbines, we are surrounded by water why don't we try wave energy?

 

[MashBag]

If the charging situation doesn't change my next car will be a hybrid, Toyota seem to have nailed this and their hybrids can do 60 - 100 mpg with no need to plug in, not ideal but the only option for those with no means to charge at home.

Have you driven one. They do bleep well

 

[MashBag]

Electricity consumption has been decreasing rather than increasing since 2005,

That's interesting.

Do you mean in the population at large, or kw per mile in an EV?

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Have you driven one. They do bleep well

No but i have watched plenty of review video,

 

[MashBag]

I was given a C-HR Nice drive. But I found myself tuning out the dash. Handled well

Adaptive cruise (aka
Chase me!) was fun.

What do the reviews say?

 

[Chippy_Tea]

What do the reviews say?

I was watching the Yaris Cross hybrid they all say its great but some of the sounds irritate after a while.

 

[Northern_Brewer]

There are many different ways to produce electric but all we do is put up turbines, we are surrounded by water why don't we try wave energy?

We are - but the engineering of high-voltage kit that is permanently in seawater and has to be strong enough to stand up to winter storms in the North Atlantic is tough. These kind of schemes never seem to quite work economically - based on the last round of contracts, solar and onshore wind both came in at about £70/MWh, offshore wind came in at £80/MWh which is about where the current wholesale price is at - and tidal came in at £240/MWh.

Some of that is just that it's still in the early stages, but it's been stuck in the early stages because it's tough.

we can throw up windfarms all over the place and park most of them most of the time as we have no way of storing the electricity the parked ones could produce,

Not true on either count.

I wasn't saying cover the whole country i just they are a waste of time for generating large amounts of energy

Across Europe, solar generated 304TWh last year, more than the 269TWh generated by coal. It's about 11% of Europe's electricity. The UK has about 15GW of solar capacity and plans to increase it to 45GW by 2030.

 

[starseeker]

Post deleted.

I don't want to move this to the political forum as it stops many members being able to post in it anyone else quoting and answering the posts i mentioned below will be blocked from posting.

 

[MashBag]

I was watching the Yaris Cross hybrid they all say its great but some of the sounds irritate after a while.

"irritate after a while"
Very polite. I only had it for a day.

Lovely to drive.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

we can throw up windfarms all over the place and park most of them most of the time as we have no way of storing the electricity the parked ones could produce,

Not true on either count.

I have mentioned this a few times in the thread, we have two small wind farms on the hills here i drive past them at least twice a week and have never seen all of them being used at the same time.

 

[stripeyjoe]

Yeah but we would have to build one many many times bigger amount of sun we get

With more inter-country grids and cooperation we could be importing solar generated electricity from places like Spain or Morocco whilst exporting excess wind generated. Talking of Morocco...

https://xlinks.co/morocco-uk-power-project/