Star Trek prediction

[Hazelwood Brewery]

I am too young for Star Trek

I’m too old.

 

[samale]

 

[Bosch]

Twitter was buzzing today, I did see old maps on how they came up with the border. Derry was nearly in the Republic, it was basically a religious head count.

At one stage Donegal and Monaghan were supposed to have been part of the Northern Ireland State. James Craig refused as it would have diluted the in built Protestant majority of the proposed Northern Ireland state.

The irony of this is Edward Carson who was from Dublin (he was born next door to current Sinn Fein hq in Dublin) was against partition as it would result in the abondonment of Southern Unionists.

 

[Donegal john]

Twitter was buzzing today, I did see old maps on how they came up with the border. Derry was nearly in the Republic, it was basically a religious head count.

My understanding Derry was in the south as it was an easier border but the history of the walled city and its strong links to unionism was the reason it was traded back to the north.

 

[Donegal john]

On a even more serious note.

The two biggest thing preventing an United Ireland is the NHS and the HSE

Also a massive concern is the welfare system.
Lots of people in the north want the ideal of a United ireland but think they would hold on to all the benefits that come from living in the uk.
Ireland is also very backward in lots of things that are taken for granted in the north.

 

[samale]

Also a massive concern is the welfare system.
Lots of people in the north want the ideal of a United ireland but think they would hold on to all the benefits that come from living in the uk.
Ireland is also very backward in lots of things that are taken for granted in the north.

In what way are they backward

 

[Pennine]

In what way are they backward

Drive on the wrong side of the road still.

 

[Polcho]

If Putin was in, there would have been a referendum by now

 

[Worf]

Worf might know something...

Sorry. This Worf would prefer to quote Sgt Schultz...

 

[Donegal john]

In what way are they backward

Education, social housing, rural infrastructure ,high speed broadband ,disability services.
Would you like to pay rates and also have to pay every week to have your bins emptied ? To visit a gp it’s €50 each time then your prescription on top no cap.
Even if you go to casualty you have to pay to be seen.

 

[StJayJay]

I'm curious as to what "after midnight on September 29th" is. Surely that's just "at some time on the 30th"?

I think the full story to all this was BBC and RTE both declined to broadcast the episode at first apparently because Data references the 2024 reunification as being an example from history where terrorism worked. Then Sky got the rights to it and broadcast it but edited. When Sky repeated it in 2006, they didn’t edit it. BBC repeated the season in 2007 and that episode was unedited this time. All episodes of that series were shown around 2am, thankfully there was a big overlap between Trekkers and people who were able to programme their video recorders!

 

[StJayJay]

Open honest thoughts are welcome. Hateful spiteful trolls are not.
It’s also a question about a prediction from Star Trek from 1990 so I’m not looking to get into a debate on who is responsible for what in the past (well I hope not anyway )

Judging by the comments so far overnight, it’s all very civil. I obviously underestimated my fellow forum members, or the origins of T-34 yeast are more contentious than Irish politics!

 

[Donegal john]

Judging by the comments so far overnight, it’s all very civil. I obviously underestimated my fellow forum members, or the origins of T-34 yeast are more contentious than Irish politics!

It’s not even at 30min boil levels yet

 

[samale]

Education, social housing, rural infrastructure ,high speed broadband ,disability services.
Would you like to pay rates and also have to pay every week to have your bins emptied ? To visit a gp it’s €50 each time then your prescription on top no cap.
Even if you go to casualty you have to pay to be seen.

Educational standards are higher in the South, I agree on social housing and rural infrastructure. I already pay rates which covers the bins being emptied. Paying for a GP visit is a big one but when was the last time you got a GP visit. If I was to pick up the phone now I would not be seen.
Over 80 phone calls last week to get an appointment for my daughter just to be told to take her to A&E if we are worried. Have you had the misfortune of sitting in A&E recently, the HHS is under serious pressure.

 

[Donegal john]

Having put my 4 through primary and secondary school down here I can assure you educational standards are not higher. IT is not even taught in secondary school. Interactive white boards are only coming into local schools. All books have to be bought and they change them every year. No allowances for children with learning difficulties. The Irish equivalent of A levels are not scored as high in the north/uk when pupils try to access higher education there.
We pay property tax now which admittedly isn’t as high as rates ,yet, but we also pay for everything else.
Gp’s are no different in the south apart from the fact people tend not to run to them when they get a sniffle as they have to pay.
Same as a sick line. €50’for the doctor €35 for a sick line.
Hospitals are no different. My wife had an injury to her hand recently that prevented her working. We could not get an appointment to see a specialist so we went private in the north and got sorted. 3 months after she returned to work her appointment came. Oh and she would have had to pay twice the amount
If Ireland is united do you think you will get to pick which parts of the Benefits you get in the north you can keep ?

Don’t get me wrong i would welcome a United ireland but it won’t be a upgrade to what you get in the north and I get as a cross border worker.

Another big one for most on here is the minimum pricing that was brought in to Ireland for alcohol sold as off sales.
No 3 for 2 deals either.
Put the price of alcohol up by 35% overnight and it’s more for higher abv.
Thank god for Northern Ireland

 

[samale]

It's not a case of walking into paradise. The conversation needs to start happening. N. Ireland doesn't work, people are sick and tired of the same *****.
Both government's need to engage to shape a better future for all. The first vote will be to keep N. Ireland in the single market. The protocol will be tweaked, hopefully bringing in more investment

 

[Donegal john]

It's not a case of walking into paradise. The conversation needs to start happening. N. Ireland doesn't work, people are sick and tired of the same *****.
Both government's need to engage to shape a better future for all. The first vote will be to keep N. Ireland in the single market. The protocol will be tweaked, hopefully bringing in more investment

I agree but if people are presented with the facts of what will change how many will actually vote to become united ?
It’s one thing to vote with your heart but another altogether to face reality.
It’s been devised too long and will take at least another decade to even begin to merge.
Also where do the unionist population go ?
Do you expect them to just pack up and leave ?
Or just to accept they are now Irish ?

 

[An Ankoù]

Knowing little of the background and general situation, I started having a chat with an old colleague I hadn't seen for a good seven years. We had worked together for nearly 20 and the topic of reunification had never arisen (in fact it was the N I Protocol which prompted it) . I quickly realised I was trying to have a friendly chat with the very reincarnation of the rev. Ian Paisley himself. The Wise One Ended up showing him the door and I was left wondering whether the Republic would even want to reunite with people of such "depth of feeling" shall we say. It has been heartening to see that everyone on this thread has been reasonable and that, possibly, the likes of my now ex-mate are few and far between.

 

[Donegal john]

Knowing little of the background and general situation, I started having a chat with an old colleague I hadn't seen for a good seven years. We had worked together for nearly 20 and the topic of reunification had never arisen (in fact it was the N I Protocol which prompted it) . I quickly realised I was trying to have a friendly chat with the very reincarnation of the rev. Ian Paisley himself. The Wise One Ended up showing him the door and I was left wondering whether the Republic would even want to reunite with people of such "depth of feeling" shall we say. It has been heartening to see that everyone on this thread has been reasonable and that, possibly, the likes of my now ex-mate are few and far between.

And then the Rev Ian paisley became instrumental in the good Friday agreement and became great friends with Martin Mc Guiness. Go figure
And I expect this thread to grow legs when the beer flows later tonight

 

[Rodcx500z]

I don't know enough about this subject so i won't be joining in, all i know is when ever i meet Irish folks i have a hang over and sore ribs the next day