EV's seem to get a lot of bashing about not getting the stated range, especially in colder temperatures but in fairness nobody ever gets the claimed mpg of an ice car either so it is the same scenario
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The claimed range/mpg figures you get in a brochure or on a website are measured from the mandated industry standard WLTP test cycle. It's actually a pretty poor representation of real-world conditions and you'll almost always fail to achieve the range/mpg derived from that test.
Cold temperatures impact both battery performance and petrol/diesel fuel efficiency, a bit more so in the case of batteries though: Fuel Economy in Cold Weather.
Yeah, I know they are lab results rather than real world. Was just saying that it is used as a negative against EVs whereas the same problem also exists for ice, although not quite as bad as you say
That is very true. I agree that most EVs do have a shorter range than most ICE but it isn’t necessarily an issue.
On the first leg of the trip from Essex to Inverness I mentioned above, those 190 miles took a little over three hours to drive. I don’t think many people would, or perhaps should, drive for longer than that without some sort of break.
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I'm not confusing the drive train, the world has moved on rapidly in the last 3 years, the '4th industrial revolution' and 'great reset' wasn't announced until the opportunity of the pandemic arose. The technology and systems to automatically collect, analyse and report on EVs is likely to be far more advanced than it is for ICE vehicles.
It isn't. The underlying software architectures are very similar as are the telematic modules that are responsible for collecting and reporting data
How? A lot of EV's have ice equivalents either in the range or within the manufacturer and likely share the same infotainment/apps etc
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More accuracy in location from 5G towers, for example, ML & AI in the cloud is more sophisticated, faster sharing of data between entities in the cloud - always evolving.
I’m no expert but with my EV, from an app on my phone, I can see the exterior of the car through the cameras, view the interior through the cabin camera, turn on the heating, defrost the windows and mirrors, open the doors, start it, set a speed limit etc. I’m not sure you can do this with ICE cars.
That has nothing to do with whether a vehicle has an electric motor or an internal combustion engine though.
That is available on some ICE vehicles, generally the more expensive end of the market though.
In today's 5 live EV discussion an owner said don't think of charging your EV in the same way you fuel your petrol car, most of us run our cars until they are close to empty then fill it in one go, with an EV use time doing other things as top up tlme, the guy plugs in at the supermarket and gets 30 plus miles free on the slow chargers there is no need to top up every day like we do our phones only if we know we cannot get to our destination and back the next day do we need add more..
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Fair enough, from that description and without naming manufacturers I am guessing that yours is from a certain purely EV manufacturer? I was thinking more along the lines of Peugeot/Kia/Hyundai that have a mix of ice and EV but as previously mentioned I don't have one so could be wrong
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So I'm not going to bang on about the privacy and control risks anymore, you guys can't really see it, I can, the fact that the mobile phone is ubiquitous in our daily lives including being able to control a car should be enough to ring the alarm bells. A bigger more complex picture is needed to understand what is happening which doesn't need to clog up this thread.
I was looking at buying a Leaf when I changed my car recently you do know they come with two different size batteries I don't know where you get the 80 mile range figure from but I never saw a quote that low in all the time I was looking have you some evidence this is the best you can expect from a leaf?
I think the main point we're all trying to get through to you is that none of that has anything specifically to do with electric vehicles.
Privacy concerns are totally valid, but they are equally as applicable to a connected ICE vehicle. My petrol Ford Focus can have a bluetooth and USB connection with my phone, therefore it is completely feasible for it to interrogate the data on my phone and use that as it sees fit.
Beware that many leafs, and some other older EVs in fact, have leased batteries.
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The early Leaf came with a 24kWh battery and later a 40kWh option if you look in auto trader there are many that have only lost 2 condition bars as described in the video below -
You can get a used leaf with 11 "bars" under £10,000 obviously you are only going to buy the 24kWh version if your daily driving isn't a huge mileage, mine isn't and i could easily live with one if i had supermarket charging in our town. (no off street parking for me)
The guy in the video says the cells are dead which is not true see comment under the video -
Be careful. Your comments: "this is telling you how many of the original battery cells are still working", and "the first bar will drop after 15% of the original battery cells stop working", suggest that some cells may have died or stopped working which is incorrect.
All cells are still working albeit with slightly less capacity. To completely lose a cell (a dead cell) would cause the BMS to be unable to balance the pack and would result in a fault (an idiot light on the dash). Ideally the BMS will work to keep all cells balanced to within 50 mV so that they lose capacity at relatively the same rate. Considering that all the cells are essentially close to the same capacity (in a properly balanced and working battery pack), the first lost bar simply indicates that all of the cells have "collectively" lost a certain capacity amounting to a 15% overall pack loss. Referring to lost capacity bars as lost or dead cells is incorrect.
You can get a used leaf with 11 "bars" under £10,000 obviously you are only going to buy the 24kWh version if your daily driving isn't a huge mileage, mine isn't and i could easily live with one if i had supermarket charging in our town. (no off street parking for me)
The guy in the video says the cells are dead which is not true see comment under the video -
Be careful. Your comments: "this is telling you how many of the original battery cells are still working", and "the first bar will drop after 15% of the original battery cells stop working", suggest that some cells may have died or stopped working which is incorrect.
All cells are still working albeit with slightly less capacity. To completely lose a cell (a dead cell) would cause the BMS to be unable to balance the pack and would result in a fault (an idiot light on the dash). Ideally the BMS will work to keep all cells balanced to within 50 mV so that they lose capacity at relatively the same rate. Considering that all the cells are essentially close to the same capacity (in a properly balanced and working battery pack), the first lost bar simply indicates that all of the cells have "collectively" lost a certain capacity amounting to a 15% overall pack loss. Referring to lost capacity bars as lost or dead cells is incorrect.
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Just watched that, to me it seems that he has a problem with Google which is understandable, this in no way relates to EVs though as Android auto is available in many ice cars as well as EVs. In fact throughout the video he actually says that he prefers Tesla's way of doing things. I definitely disagree with him that you can get around Google's privacy concerns by running an iOS phone though, that just moves you to the hands of Apple!
