Veganism. With or without beer.

[foxy]

Nitrogen would be better, in fact there was a chap in 'strylia posing as a brewery supplier selling nitrogen for euthanasia purposes but because you can use nitrogen in brewing appeared to have avoided sanctions. You don't get the gag type response from nitrogen and that makes the handing of liquid nitrogen even more dangerous than for the reasons you'd think. There have been science labs deaths because of this.

I believe Michael Portillo suggested the nitrogen solution in the documentary, 'How to kill a human being' Trouble was he suggested it to an American who was a fan of the death penalty in its harshest form. Nitros oxide is another painless solution, another favourite of those wishing to commit suicide.

 

[DavidDetroit]

akin to a wood chipper

Reminds me of Fargo.

 

[DavidDetroit]

Discus.

My goodness! I just got that!

 

[DavidDetroit]

To answer the main question, it's nothing I think about. We buy organic as much as possible but that includes meat and not just vegetables. We lean toward free-range whenever possible. In other words, we don't shop by price.

So, the thread got pretty dark, pretty quickly: ground chicks and ways to exterminate humans.

I don't think the death penalty is any kind of deterrent for the criminal. Criminals aren't sane to begin with, at least not at the time of the crime. They aren't up to doing what's best overall. Sane people follow the rules for the greater good.
But like everything else, there's a gray area--maybe the family of the victim benefits seeing the accused murdered, in a ***-for-tat way. Plus, it's cheaper than feeding and housing someone for forty-fifty years.
Ethically, I don't see a great a difference between the death penalty and abortion.

I don't know even what to say about boy chicks getting wood-chipped. It's almost like the baby harp seal situation where those little cuties get clubbed (for their fur I think--it's been a while).

 

[Harbey]

A rather significant point which seems to get overlooked by the media, and is a general point rather than a beer related one, is the link between animal farming and consumption, and the wide range of viruses and diseases which jump to humans as a result. Corona, Avian Flu, Swine Flu, Mad Cow (Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease) even HIV have their origins in meat consumption and farming.

 

[BlackRegent]

I'm resurrecting this thread, not to encourage us all to re-enter the moral maze, but because I have a practical question. What could be used in beer as a vegan alternative to lactose? I noticed that Seven Brothers have launched a vegan milkshake IPA. I pinged them a message on Facebook asking what they used instead of lactose. I was genuinely interested rather than it being some sort of public challenge. All they did was like my comment without actually answering the question. So, any ideas?

 

[Brew_DD2]

I'm resurrecting this thread, not to encourage us all to re-enter the moral maze, but because I have a practical question. What could be used in beer as a vegan alternative to lactose? I noticed that Seven Brothers have launched a vegan milkshake IPA. I pinged them a message on Facebook asking what they used instead of lactose. I was genuinely interested rather than it being some sort of public challenge. All they did was like my comment without actually answering the question. So, any ideas?

Breweries seem to be using vanilla, oats and maltodextrin to replicate it.

 

[dad_of_jon]

I've only used lactose once or twice but no finings ever. That's almost vegan. Close but no cigar.