Stout popularity soars.

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I think it more likely down to tedious people wanting to "Split the G"
This is it. The latest Instagram trend (probably a Tik Tok trend from 3 months ago, but I’m an elder millennial so it’s insta for me) appears to be posting videos of you trying to “split the G”
 
If you haven't tried it give -
  • Badger – Master Stoat Coffee Stout
a try it really is the dogs bollocks

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Guiness is just a massive marketing machine and that is totally the secret of their success. They’ve been promoting many marketing gimmicks over the decades from the 3/4 pour thing to, ‘foam art’ with the clover thing which the coffee shops have copied, and many others. So many much nicer stouts and porters out there.

But good to see dark beers becoming more popular. My favourite beer styles, and the ones I brew mostly are IPA’s and stouts so all good as far as I’m concerned.
 
What would be a better stout than Guinness that is the same gravity (or certainly no stronger) and does not have some kind of gimmicky addition like plum, coffee etc. etc.

This is a genuine question. If it sounds nice I'll try it.
 
What would be a better stout than Guinness that is the same gravity (or certainly no stronger) and does not have some kind of gimmicky addition like plum, coffee etc. etc.

This is a genuine question. If it sounds nice I'll try it.

It's a fair question. Not that there aren't, or that brewing a better alternative is not possible. It's just that stout isn't generally a 4.2% ale, it could be argued Guinness is a style of beer in it's own right. It is to Stout, what Greene King is to IPA.

On that premise, I don't think this is a rise in the popularity of stout, rather a successful social media campaign by Diagio. With Brewdog trying to take a share of the Guinness market.

I particularly enjoyed Whitby Brewerys Jet Black when I was up that way, but that was 4.5% IIRC.
 
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What would be a better stout than Guinness that is the same gravity (or certainly no stronger) and does not have some kind of gimmicky addition like plum, coffee etc. etc.

This is a genuine question. If it sounds nice I'll try it.
Sam Smith's draught Extra Stout is better than Guinness in my opinion. But adding nitrogen to a beer is surely a cop out? A well conditioned cask stout or porter is a better thing altogether, and there are many great options out there.
 
Stout was a strong Porter hence the name, 4.2% is hardly stout.

So a milk stout is not a stout then, despite being around for 100+ years?

In that case I could argue that most American IPAs are not proper IPAs (rather than saying they are a type of IPA).

I can't see why a 4.2% stout is not a legitimate thing to make, and it is fair to compare it against other beers of a similar gravity.
 
So a milk stout is not a stout then, despite being around for 100+ years?

In that case I could argue that most American IPAs are not proper IPAs (rather than saying they are a type of IPA).

I can't see why a 4.2% stout is not a legitimate thing to make, and it is fair to compare it against other beers of a similar gravity.

@Appleton Brews is right to say that stout was originally a stronger version of a porter, often labelled as 'Stout Porter'.

However, over the years the terminology has very much changed and a stout now tends to refer to a beer made with roasted barley, black malt, etc. whereas a porter will lean more towards brown and chocolate malts. Strength is no longer an indicator of which style you are getting.
 
@Appleton Brews is right to say that stout was originally a stronger version of a porter, often labelled as 'Stout Porter'.

However, over the years the terminology has very much changed and a stout now tends to refer to a beer made with roasted barley, black malt, etc. whereas a porter will lean more towards brown and chocolate malts. Strength is no longer an indicator of which style you are getting.
Yes, agreed, I wasn't disputing the origins of the term (although I did not make this clear), just that Guinness should not be categorised as a stout.
 

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