Free Scotland

[Chippy_Tea]

I'm going to look at naughty pictures of trains and things on 't web

BTW I Deltics

 

[samale]

The tide has certainly turned. The DUP dinosaur deniers know the game is up.

Yep Arlene made the house of lord's today. Nothing like a good old back hander for getting Brexit done

 

[devexwarrior]

BTW I Deltics

Got one of those on my model layout - pure filth!

 

[Bernie]

Any collection of people should be able to decide their own destiny. It's really sad that an England-centric court has upheld an England-centric law stating that England must approve of Scotland having a vote on Scotland's future. It's the same as if Russia denied the Ukrainians the right to their independence referendum in 1991.

Can you imagine what would have happened in 2016 if the EU went "no, the UK is not allowed to have a referendum about leaving the EU"?

As much as I would prefer Scotland to remain part of the union (I live in England), it's really sad that it is effectively, as AA says, "just a colony"

Phoney Tony denied votes to expats who had been out of the country for 15 years the right to vote in the Brexit referendum even though they were most exposed to the consequences of Brexit. Didn't hear much about this issue in the media.

 

[samale]

Phoney Tony denied votes to expats who had been out of the country for 15 years the right to vote in the Brexit referendum even though they were most exposed to the consequences of Brexit. Didn't hear much about this issue in the media.

That's something I have been thinking alot about recently. After seeing people queuing in Dublin to vote for the election in Brazil.
Should voting be compulsory and should all Nationals have a vote

 

[user 4749]

Peace has descended !

No matter what your political view, I think most would agree votes should be compulsory at least in General Elections and certain Referendums. How many times have we heard people complain about Politics and Politicians only to find out they didn't actually vote.

 

[user 4749]

When I say compulsory I mean turn up even if its only to spoil the ballot paper

 

[devexwarrior]

Peace has descended !

No matter what your political view, I think most would agree votes should be compulsory at least in General Elections and certain Referendums. How many times have we heard people complain about Politics and Politicians only to find out they didn't actually vote.

I disagree

 

[user 4749]

I disagree

Thats everyones right in a democracy

 

[samale]

When I say compulsory I mean turn up even if its only to spoil the ballot paper

I remember getting to voting age, I didn't give one ***** about anything. Women and drink was the only thing on my mind. I proudly told my father that I wouldn't be voting.
To say it didn't go down well was an understatement. His response " many a man has lost his life to afford you the privilege to vote"
He grew up in a different generation, he experienced the full force of the troubles in Ireland.

 

[dad_of_jon]

Remind us how many PMs she's outlasted...

Just like Mr Drakeford in Wales, that doesn't mean he's the best politician wales has, I think it's more a lack of a quality alternative.

 

[dad_of_jon]

Got one of those on my model layout - pure filth!

iv'e always been a 125 or apt fanboi myself

i've had a currywurst in and erdinger in a proper glass at 180mph+ on the berlin to munchen ice. - Awesome experience only 30 euros 1st class

also on the subject of ice - the slowest express train in the world.. the glacier & bernina express. 8 hours of beutiful scenery passing you by.
The thalys from brussels to koln was also fun. complimentary drink was DUVEL

Yet to get on the frecciarossa but italo's version looks quite tasty and still to hop on a TGV and a renfe duckbill express...

Will probably never get to japan or south korea as they gave awesome train sets.

slightly back on topic... the scottish highland sleeper overnight service doesn't get very good reviews, so I'll take the car and do the scottish 500 on 4 wheels instead.

 

[devexwarrior]

iv'e always been a 125 or apt fanboi myself

Got one of them too, in original yellow and blue liver and a Mallard and a 4MT!
we need a train thread!

 

[Stan's Brew]

Forgive my lack of knowledge regarding the politic of the whole debate and general ignorance of most things democratic, but did I hear mention of the privy council in the ruling ie the decision rests with the privy council to some extent?

And if true, then is the privy council a construct of parliament mostly containing Lords and Ladies who all swear allegiance to the King (as all MPs must do) and therefore serve the King, and doesn't the King own vast Scottish estates and castles and such like in Scotland, Ireland and Wales and with the threat of a referendum going the way of 'the people' would that not threaten the existence of the rule of the King (and the City of London).

In 2014 they had a good chance of getting away with it and appeased the democratic process, but alas no more, the tide has turned, therefore under no circumstances must the monarchy lose any power? Losing Scotland could set the ball rolling for the eventual demise of the British Monarchy potentially?

 

[devexwarrior]

^ The decision in this case was based on the Scotland Act (can't remember the year) under which certain things are devolved and others (in this case Constitutional) reserved for Westminster. I'm not sure how the Privy Council would fit into that part of the process. In any event the Monarch does not in any real event have anything other than a ceremonial role in giving ascent to bills. Once it has gone through HoC and HoL then it's a done deal. It is true that Privy Councillors swear allegiance to the Monarch. Corbin did so and Sturgeon must have in the past as she is a member.

 

[Stan's Brew]

In any event the Monarch does not in any real event have anything other than a ceremonial role in giving ascent to bills.

I agree that superficially the monarch doesn't get involved in politics, especially where matters don't threaten the monarch why bother upsetting the 'democratic' parliamentary process. But given Charles' recent (years now) involvement with the World Economic Forum, it has highlighted a depth of involvement in global and domestic politics that hadn't been obvious before. I don't think that people really realise the depth of power the British monarch has to influence his own servants and the judiciary (are they crown servants?) - after all MPs serve the monarchy, not the people, otherwise they would swear allegiance to the people not the monarch.

 

[devexwarrior]

Sinn Fein/IRA (spit) MPs do not swear alliegence to the crown - and don't it in the house as a result. Charles was recorded as saying while PoW that once he acceded the throne he would have to become impartial. I'm fairly happy with the way things are run compared to some systems. When I'm asked why we have a Constitutional Monarch as Head of State I usually really "It stops Tony Blair being President".

 

[Bosch]

When I'm asked why we have a Constitutional Monarch as Head of State I usually really "It stops Tony Blair being President".

Are Tony and Charlie the only two choices ye have????

 

[Bosch]

Sinn Fein/IRA (spit)

Is Spit an acronym
Socialist Political Irish Terrorist????

 

[samale]

Sinn Fein/IRA (spit) MPs do not swear alliegence to the crown - and don't it in the house as a result. Charles was recorded as saying while PoW that once he acceded the throne he would have to become impartial. I'm fairly happy with the way things are run compared to some systems. When I'm asked why we have a Constitutional Monarch as Head of State I usually really "It stops Tony Blair being President".

Lovely you fishing again