Electric cars.

[Rodcx500z]

The whole point of a car, the second most expensive thing most people own is the freedom it gives you, what is the point of paying £30,000 +, plus tax which will happen and insurance to look at it sat on your drive 3 or 4 days a week total stupidity a complete waste of all the time you spend working so you can enjoy life

 

[Chippy_Tea]

The whole point of a car, the second most expensive thing most people own is the freedom it gives you, what is the point of paying £30,000 +, plus tax which will happen and insurance to look at it sat on your drive 3 or 4 days a week total stupidity a complete waste of all the time you spend working so you can enjoy life

To be honest i would swap the word freedom for convenience.

Who said anything about it being sat on the drive 3 - 4 days a week, i commute to work but its only a short journey and we shop in the next town which is a 16 mile round trip as we don't have the big supermarkets here, i probably do les than 400 miles a month if i don't do any special trips.

Doesn't the same stupidity and waste of time comment equally apply to all those car owners that don't make regular journeys in their petrol/diesel cars especially these huge and very expensive SUV's that seem to be the must have vehicle these days.

 

[Brew_DD2]

The whole point of a car, the second most expensive thing most people own is the freedom it gives you, what is the point of paying £30,000 +, plus tax which will happen and insurance to look at it sat on your drive 3 or 4 days a week total stupidity a complete waste of all the time you spend working so you can enjoy life

For you maybe.

I do about 300 miles a week and the amount of time my car spends on the drive hasn't changed at all. I don't have to go and fuel up every week now though.

 

[Stu's Brews]

I stopped watching at the point he says if the other 5 houses in his estate were to get 7kw wall chargers it would put a huge demand on the supply to his house

To discuss his other points, obviously charging from home is the best solution but the problem with videos like this is they never discuss the options you will soon have (see below) if you don't have home charging, the vast majority of us wont charge our cars like we do out phones we will charge as its needed not every day, i could probably get a fortnights motoring out of a single charge if i wasn't making any journeys i don't normally make and i imagine the vast majority of us are in the same boat.

Drivers who do huge mileages obviously wont be thinking of buying an EV until the range increases significantly.

The sheer volume of misinformation about EVs (both for and against) that is present on the internet and across various media outlets is mind-boggling. Although of course it happens with lots of other subjects as well.

It's why it so important to interrogate the presented facts to ensure they are robust and consider whether any opinions may be influenced by bias. Only then can you reach a meaningful conclusion.

We can only make logical decisions based on the data we have at any given point in time. Right now, the best data we have suggests that EVs are a good solution for reducing CO2 emissions when compared to ICE vehicles, which will help slow climate change (based on our current understanding of the subject) and have benefits such as lower running costs. However, that does come with some compromises around higher purchase costs, shorter range and longer charging times. Therefore they won't be the right choice for everyone at the current time but that may change as the technology evolves.

We are constantly learning more about the world around us. As we do the data we have available becomes more robust and we can re-evaluate our decisions. In the future we may decide the decisions of today aren't right but that is no different to trying to tell someone 150 years ago that burning petrol or diesel is a bad idea.

 

[Rodcx500z]

For you maybe.
I do about 300 miles a week and the amount of time my car spends on the drive hasn't changed at all. I don't have to go and fuel up every week now though.

Yes your right, for me the misses and the jrt, we use the car everyday at some point, we bought our 1L 3 cylinder juke 20 plate on 1/9/22 mileage 3400 mileage now 7346 i get 450 miles on a full tank it also meets all emission regulations It's a little cracker and very green for an ice machine, i have nothing against ev's and would get one if i had off street charging but until that happens i will stick with ice

 

[Brew_DD2]

Yes your right, for me the misses and the jrt, we use the car everyday at some point, we bought our 1L 3 cylinder juke 20 plate on 1/9/22 mileage 3400 mileage now 7346 i get 450 miles on a full tank it also meets all emission regulations It's a little cracker and very green for an ice machine, i have nothing against ev's and would get one if i had off street charging but until that happens i will stick with ice

My last car had that engine, and it is indeed a wee cracker.

 

[dad_of_jon]

You chose poor examples. For nearly everything we do Newtonian mechanics is still valid. We will never use quantum mechanics to crack a nut.
Medicine is an inexact science. Some people can take their drink, others can't. Can I drink 5 a day of dad_of_jon's ale or 10 Heinekens?

hmm, of course we use newtonian mechanics as generally it will do I agree, but at the time we thought we actually knew it all until never discoveries showed a discrepancy in the orbit of certain celestial bodies. So why do we belive we are right now?. As for the human physiology we are all different yet information is often presented as a fact when it isn't always. e.g

https://www.vitalhealthnutrition.co...tists concluded that if,death by a whole 31%.
so I don't think I'm in india jones and the last crusade territory yet....

 

[dad_of_jon]

Doesn't the same stupidity and waste of time comment equally apply to all those car owners that don't make regular journeys in their petrol/diesel cars especially these huge and very expensive SUV's that seem to be the must have vehicle these days.

Agree, that's why I spent around £18k petrol for my new car in 2020 instead of £30k plus ev, drove to interlaken in september 800+ miles no worries. 2 - top up refuels each way without being worried about being able to refuel apart from making damn well sure I didn't have to fill up in Switzerland

 

[Chippy_Tea]

We all buy cars for different reasons I have said I could live with an EV but it would be a bit of a pain as I would have to use chargers at supermarkets etc there is a guy in Scotland who posted a YouTube video about doing just that he lives in a block of flats yet manges to run hi EV every day he just plans his top ups well in advance, I will buy a Hydrid next time as I have no means of off street parking, when street charging becomes a thing I will give an EV serious thought.

 

[Benfleet Brewery]

This thread as been brilliant.
I am all for electric vehicles, in fact I think we are not far off to a point where we won't own cars and it will be a Uber type model.
The energy supply isn't an issue from what I understand, my concern is the clear lack of mechanics that are qualified to repair electric vehicles. A massive shortage of skilled mechanics .

They’re not a lot of mechanical stuff on EVs. And the mechanical bits that are there are also on ICE cars, so same mechanics can repair those.

 

[Nicks90]

I always wanted one of these but they are silly money, not economical and not very comfortable compared to a car, definitely a great second vehicle.


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I was lucky and got mine before they stopped making them

Introducing mertyl, nicks90 toy (hence my name on forums, as it's a 90)

 

[Stu's Brews]

They’re not a lot of mechanical stuff on EVs. And the mechanical bits that are there are also on ICE cars, so same mechanics can repair those.

The issue with EVs are the high voltages (400V and above) used within the powertrain. Those systems require specialist training before you're allowed to work on them.

 

[Nicks90]

That is true, but all suspension, braking and steering components are the same and don't need any additional training. The ev side of things are pretty much fit and forget in terms of general services and don't need attention unless there is an actual fault

 

[Leon103]

They’re not a lot of mechanical stuff on EVs. And the mechanical bits that are there are also on ICE cars, so same mechanics can repair those.

The electrical components.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

The issue with EVs are the high voltages (400V and above) used within the powertrain. Those systems require specialist training before you're allowed to work on them.

This is true but those parts don't need regular servicing so as Benfleet and Nicks said above all mechanics can do most of the work.

 

[Stu's Brews]

This is true but those parts don't need regular servicing so as Benfleet and Nicks said above all mechanics can do most of the work.

Completely agree. Wasn't clear to me that Benfleet was aware of the HV specific requirements from his original post, which is what Leon was originally referring to.

 

[Benfleet Brewery]

Completely agree. Wasn't clear to me that Benfleet was aware of the HV specific requirements from his original post, which is what Leon was originally referring to.

I took the term “Mechanics” as referring to the mechanical side of things. These days, the electrical or electronic items are often unserviceable anyway, whether part of an EV or ICE vehicle. I appreciate there is the HV to take into account when working on an EV.

 

[Leon103]

Sorry some confusion. I am just relying what I have been told. My family own both dealerships and second hand sale companies and they are all concerned about the lack of skilled 'mechanics' especially when it comes to EV cars. They are all worried about the future of their businesses. The second market because of EV's and the most probable route that cars will be exchanged with dealers and lack of good mechanics to keep reliable stock. The dealerships because of rising costs = less buyers and lack of availability.

My father spent 35 years as a mechanical lecturer but left when he realised that the college would effectively sign off any student as competent. He would 'fail' students, only for senior management to pass them. He walked out.

 

[Rodcx500z]

I think ev's will become plug and play like computers

 

[Benfleet Brewery]

Sorry some confusion. I am just relying what I have been told. My family own both dealerships and second hand sale companies and they are all concerned about the lack of skilled 'mechanics' especially when it comes to EV cars. They are all worried about the future of their businesses. The second market because of EV's and the most probable route that cars will be exchanged with dealers and lack of good mechanics to keep reliable stock. The dealerships because of rising costs = less buyers and lack of availability.

My father spent 35 years as a mechanical lecturer but left when he realised that the college would effectively sign off any student as competent. He would 'fail' students, only for senior management to pass them. He walked out.

I think Most motor mechanics are worried about the increase in EVs, or more particularly the decrease in ICE vehicles due to the lack of routine servicing required to keep EVs going. An ICE requires regular servicing to keep it going. Historically this has cost me anything between £150-£200 or so annually. I now have an EV which doesn’t have a “service” schedule. The recommended “maintenance“ says I should change the internal cabin filter and check the brake pads every two years and check the brake fluid levels every three years.