Covid Passports

[Galena]

The police are not handing food and drink to members of the public in close proximity the only time a police officer needs to get close to a member of the public is when they are arresting them so their risk of catching or passing Covid on is much less.

Having to deal with low-life scumbags spitting in your face and handle large crowds of people I would say was a high risk of catching Covid

 

[Brewnaldo]

Think there's a few people losing the run of themselves here with what level of protection they or anyone else should be entitled to, and have enshrined in law, against a respiratory virus which happens to have not one but several wildly, almost unfathomably effective vaccines for.

This domestic passport stuff is batshit mental and here we, the brave and free people of Great Britain are waving it through with total abandon.

Once hospitals are no longer under threat and the link between cases and hospitalisation can be shown to have been broken by the vaccine, there should be no (not even one) domestic law in place to mitigate covid. Just public health advice and personal assessment of risk.

 

[Cheshire Cat]

Think there's a few people losing the run of themselves here with what level of protection they or anyone else should be entitled to, and have enshrined in law, against a respiratory virus which happens to have not one but several wildly, almost unfathomably effective vaccines for.

This domestic passport stuff is batshit mental and here we, the brave and free people of Great Britain are waving it through with total abandon.

Once hospitals are no longer under threat and the link between cases and hospitalisation can be shown to have been broken by the vaccine, there should be no (not even one) domestic law in place to mitigate covid. Just public health advice and personal assessment of risk.

Then open pubs when all 18+ have been vaccinated

 

[Brewnaldo]

Then open pubs when all 18+ have been vaccinated

Thats wild in its simplicity. Pubs were open past year no?

The strian on the health service is deciding factor here, not an individuals right to not be exposed to a virus. What's next? Flu vaccine passports and a demand for destructive policy to mitigate the risk from that?

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Having to deal with low-life scumbags spitting in your face and handle large crowds of people I would say was a high risk of catching Covid

I don't disagree that the police should also have the *** early but as i said earlier they don't come into contact with potentially infected members of the public every 10 minutes they are not handing food and drink to members of the public and coming into close contact, this is not about just protecting bar workers its about all the people in the pub being vaccinated not just customers.

 

[Cheshire Cat]

9.9% of the 18+ have had 2 doses of vaccine and you want to reopen pubs with no checks absolutely crazy and dangerous.

 

[Brewnaldo]

9.9% of the 18+ have had 2 doses of vaccine and you want to reopen pubs with no checks absolutely crazy and dangerous.

How is it dangerous?

 

[Scottyburto]

None of the vaccines are 100% effective, even if you forced everyone on the UK to have a vaccine it wouldn't rid covid.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

What's next? Flu vaccine passports and a demand for destructive policy to mitigate the risk from that?

I have never had a flu *** and i am 59 and unlike Covid i don't know anyone who has ever died of flu so although i know there is a risk i can get it and it may kill me in my mind it was a small risk, i got my covid vaccine as soon as i could (this week) as i know there is a much higher risk of me catching it (i am a key worker) the figures below put it into perspective.

Between January and August 2020, there were -
48,168 deaths due to Covid-19
13,600 from pneumonia.
394 were due to flu.

 

[Brewnaldo]

I have never had a flu *** and i am 59 i don't know anyone who has ever died of flu so although i know there is a risk i can get it and it may kill me in my mind it was a small risk, i got my covid vaccine as soon as i could (this week) as i know there is a much higher risk of me catching it (i am a key worker) the figures below put it into perspective.

Between January and August 2020, there were -
48,168 deaths due to Covid-19
13,600 from pneumonia.
394 were due to flu.

Indeed. Covid measures clearly buried the flu. Doesn't make them aby less destructive and as such, threat to the NHS, rather than any god given not to catch one particular virus should be informing policy on this.

Once again, pubs opened last year.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

None of the vaccines are 100% effective, even if you forced everyone on the UK to have a vaccine it wouldn't rid covid.

No one is saying everyone in the UK should be forced to have the vaccine.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Once again, pubs opened last year.

And they shut again soon after because the dumb ***** could keep a distance from each other when they had had a few and it'll happen again -

The only way they can open the pubs safely is by bringing in the passport and everyone in the pub must have had the vaccine otherwise they may as well just throw the doors open and let everyone in like pre covid days.

 

[Brewnaldo]

No one is saying everyone in the UK should be forced to have the vaccine.

No, that's just the blindingly clear implications of domestic vaccine passports.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

No, that's just the blindingly clear implications of domestic vaccine passports.

I cannot imagine anyone that doesn't want the vaccine for whatever reason being in any rush to visit a crowded pub with no restrictions in place so i dont think its that big of an issue to be honest.

 

[Brewnaldo]

And they shut again soon after because the dumb ***** could keep a distance from each other when they had had a few and it'll happen again -

We've seen this nonsense time and again. Remember when it was the beaches, the BLM protests, the VE day celebrations, Rangers fans up here.... All leading to...... nothing happening whilst folk screech on twitter about how they are scum and how the next lock down is imminent.

There is one metric that keeps people safe and thats vaccine uptake. Anyone pretending that proving you have had it makes a blind bit of difference is utterly delusional. The passports are just further adventures in kleptocracy and authoritarianism.

Let us never again hear about Boris "libertarian instincts"

 

[Brewnaldo]

I cannot imagine anyone that doesn't want the vaccine for whatever reason being in any rush to visit a crowded pub with no restrictions in place so i dont think its that big of an issue to be honest.

Then you misunderstand the non existant level of fear among the young.

It seems that its more those who have had it demanding a right not to have to mix with those who haven't, which is utterly baffling aswell. But that's to be expected when finding the mental contortions required to justify this utterly ludicrous idea

 

[Chippy_Tea]

All leading to...... nothing happening whilst folk screech on twitter about how they are scum and how the next lock down is imminent.

Have you any evidence these gatherings didn't lead to more cases?

 

[Brewnaldo]

How do you know that those crowds didn't spread Covid its well documented the younger generation do not suffer the same effects and may can carry it with no symptoms.

Because we have a track and trace system don't forget....

Outdoor transmission is basically not even a thing.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Outdoor transmission is basically not even a thing.

So why have there been restrictions on how may people can meet outdoors for 12 months?

 

[Brewnaldo]

So why have there been restrictions on how may people can meet outdoors for 12 months?

Its a good question. Plenty of articles available on the risk of outdoor transmission and also on why governments refuse to back away from previous policy. See also, fomite transmission