Covid-19 the second wave.

[Northern_Brewer]

Cheers for the answer, maybe my 1st question should have been, How were cases rising in North Kent during lockdown 2 when they were dropping massively everywhere in the rest of the country. There were alot of cases in a prison in Sheppey but I think Thanet was rising 1st.

These things are always complicated and never down to a single factor, and individual super-spreader events can have a disproportionate effect. AIUI Thanet has been more about schools, including one particular child in Broadstairs using school buses before being diagnosed, whereas Swale seems to have been more about people of working age.

 

[Cheshire Cat]

The schools in the Borough of Greenwich are now closed. This affects my two grandchildren who school there. My granddaughter is sad that she will miss Christmas dinner at school.

 

[Appleyard]

Not science

You can say that again. Looks like completely 'finger in the air' assumptions by the advisers to me.

Please DO NOT do that. I would say it's abuse.

I actually said: "Not science so much as psychology allied with science, as alluded to by Chippy_Tea".

 

[marshbrewer]

Please DO NOT do that. I would say it's abuse.

I actually said: "Not science so much as psychology allied with science, as alluded to by Chippy_Tea".

OK. As you say, not science but something else (not scientific) allied with the science of the pandemic. You say that something was psychology, I say it was assumption based on pre-existing prejudices, or previously held assumptions. One of the government advisers has admitted / stated as much when discussing the also 'finger in the air' 10pm curfew with a parliament committee. There are no figures that point to wet led pubs being the source of more infections than those that serve food.

 

[Appleyard]

As you say, not science but something else (not scientific) allied with the science of the pandemic.

NO I did not say that. Again, I said: "Not science so much as psychology allied with science, as alluded to by Chippy_Tea".

Please stop what you are doing. It's not on.

 

[marshbrewer]

Eh? J

Just to clarify (emphasis mine to try and answer your point above)

As you say, not science but something else (not scientific) allied with the science of the pandemic. You say that something was psychology, I say it was assumption based on pre-existing prejudices, or previously held assumptions.

How does that misrepresent what you have said at all?!?!?!?! Just to put your original quote here again for clarity..

Not science so much as psychology allied with science,

Can you explain what you are getting annoyed with, as I am genuinely taken back!

 

[Chippy_Tea]

But the responsible person - the licencee or his representative - should not tolerate bad behaviour on the premises, and should refuse to serve those indulging in it ("throw them out"), just as they normally do to others indulging in bad behaviour, or being drunk, in their premises. It's only if they don't do that they should be closed for some duration (and perhaps lose their licence).

They are probably trying to cut the risk of it happening before it does as by the time it has and you have door staff and the owners involved the damage is already done.

Certain sections of our society seem incapable of following the rules look at all the day before lockdown parties where people flooded the streets with no distancing, masks etc, they were their own worst enemies why should they be trusted now.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Breaking news - full article - Covid: London to move into tier 3 as infections rise

London will move into England’s highest tier of coronavirus restrictions from 00:01 GMT on Wednesday, MPs have been told.

Parts of Essex and Hertfordshire are also reported to be entering tier three.
Health Secretary Matt Hancock is expected to make a statement in the Commons shortly.
The tier three restrictions would see pubs and restaurants closed except for takeaway and delivery services.
MPs, reported to have been briefed on the plans by Mr Hancock, said a sharp rise in cases meant the health secretary was unable to wait until the next scheduled review of England's three-tier system on Wednesday.

• London mayor calls for schools to close early
• What are the rules if my area moves to tier three?
• Postcode check: Find out the rules where you live

One MP said they were told that cases are doubling every seven days in the capital.
They added that the next review of the tier system would be on 23 December.
Mr Hancock is expected to use his statement to outline the financial support available to the tier three areas.
He will then lead a Downing Street news conference later.
It follows warnings from London Mayor Sadiq Khan that tier three restrictions could have a "catastrophic consequence" for hospitality, culture and some retail.

 

[Covrich]

More good News from Sky

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A "new variant" of coronavirus has been identified in the UK, which is believed to be causing the faster spread in the South East, health secretary Matt Hancock has said.

Its spread is growing faster than the existing variant, with over a thousand cases, he added.

There have been reports of this new variant in 60 local authority areas, and it is believed to be similar to that found in other countries over the last few months.

Mr Hancock told MPs in the Commons there is currently "nothing to suggest" this variant will cause serious disease, adding that it is highly unlikely that it won't respond to a vaccine.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

More good News from Sky
A "new variant" of coronavirus has been identified in the UK, which is believed to be causing the faster spread in the South East, health secretary Matt Hancock has said.

Just announced on BBC News Rich, now that is a worry.

 

[Northern_Brewer]

What's the science around how the virus transmits by a person sat a table being served a scotch egg and a pint, but not if there are boiled potatoes, and a medley of green veg on the plate as well?

Of course it's not about that. It's about the science that says that you're far more likely to get it if you're in any one of an enclosed space, a crowded space, or close contact, and the longer you spend exposed to one of those risk factors, the worse it is.

But it's not just a question of science, it's about how to apply that science with rules that work in the real world, subject to constraints such as economics and just sheer practicality. Obviously a typical night down the pub involves being indoors in close contact with crowds of people for a prolonged period of time. So - what "simple" rules do you put in place that will minimise transmission whilst minimising the cost of compensation for businesses that you force to close or near-close?

 

[Appleyard]

Eh? J
Just to clarify (emphasis mine to try and answer your point above)
How does that misrepresent what you have said at all?!?!?!?! Just to put your original quote here again for clarity..
Can you explain what you are getting annoyed with, as I am genuinely taken back!

The problem is partially quoting what I wrote, altering its meaning entirely, and also adding words to what I say, again altering my meaning - "putting words in my mouth".

Let's (reasonably) dissect this:

"As you say, not science[1] but something else[2] (not scientific) allied with the science of the pandemic"

[1]I did say it was science. It is. The chance for transmission to occur depends on people's proximity, as well as time. It's not "the science of the pandemic", whatever that is, either.
[2] I sid not say that. Psychology may not be science, but it is absolutely relevant when talking about the tendencies of people who've been drinking.

Taken together, "boozed-up people are more likely to socialise closely and spread the virus".

Anyway, I will leave it there.

 

[marshbrewer]

But it's not just a question of science, it's about how to apply that science with rules that work in the real world, subject to constraints such as economics and just sheer practicality. Obviously a typical night down the pub involves being indoors in close contact with crowds of people for a prolonged period of time. So - what "simple" rules do you put in place that will minimise transmission whilst minimising the cost of compensation for businesses that you force to close or near-close?

Perhaps table service, to help enforce social distancing? The typical night down the pub you describe hasn't been available since 'covid secure' establishments were able to open after lock down 1. My point is, once these rules are in place, what is being served on those tables is fairly irrelevant. Unless it was covid infected soup.

 

[Appleyard]

More good News from Sky
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A "new variant" of coronavirus has been identified in the UK, which is believed to be causing the faster spread in the South East, health secretary Matt Hancock has said.

Its spread is growing faster than the existing variant, with over a thousand cases, he added.

There have been reports of this new variant in 60 local authority areas, and it is believed to be similar to that found in other countries over the last few months.

Mr Hancock told MPs in the Commons there is currently "nothing to suggest" this variant will cause serious disease, adding that it is highly unlikely that it won't respond to a vaccine.

Thank goodness for that. If some mutation for some reason caused a different demographic to be attacked (cf. "Spanish 'Flu"), the results would be even more unpleasant.

 

[marshbrewer]

Anyway, I will leave it there.

Probably for the best as you have totally misunderstood what I have put in post #827

 

[Benfleet Brewery]

Well, tier 3 for me then. Now there’s a surprise, not. I received an email from my daughters school on Friday suggesting we all take advantage of the new mass testing, even if we didn’t have symptoms. We toyed with the idea for a bit but by the time we decided we’d go ahead the test slots were like Unicorn sh*t so we ordered a home test kit each. Then today, following the mass testing at the weekend, several teachers and students at my daughters school had tested positive leading to 35 other teachers being told to self isolate and the school has now had to close with online learning only. Why on Earth did we have to wait for it to get this bad before closing the school? People seem to forget how serious this virus is. Let’s just hope this delay doesn’t cause a load of unnecessary deaths!

 

[Rodcx500z]

Wait until January then people will now how bad it is, 5 days of social mixing i bet the virus is laughing it's bollocks off, tonge in cheek this post

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Wait until January then people will now how bad it is, 5 days of social mixing i bet the virus is laughing it's bollocks off, tonge in cheek this post

Its OK the virus is going home to see its elderly parents this Christmas we will all be fine!
(also tongue in cheek this post)

 

[Cheshire Cat]

Its OK the virus is going home to see its elderly parents this Christmas we will all be fine!
(also tongue in cheek this post)

Remember a virus isn't just for Christmas it could be for life.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Dozens more patients have been admitted to a hospital trust for Covid-19.

University Hospitals Of Morecambe Bay Trust was caring for 159 coronavirus patients in hospital as of Tuesday, NHS England figures show.
The data shows that the number of people being treated in hospital for Covid-19 by 8am on December 8 was up from 144 on the same day the previous week. Across England there were 13,629 people in hospital with Covid as of December 8, with 1,118 of them in mechanical ventilation beds.
The number of Covid-19 patients hospitalised has increased by 13 per cent, while those on mechanical ventilators has increased by 11 per cent, in the last four weeks across England. The figures also show that 33 new Covid patients were admitted to hospital in University Hospitals Of Morecambe Bay NHS Foundation Trust in the week to December 6.

This was up from 27 in the previous seven days.