corni /bottling question

[topgear]

hi a question that has been on my mind for ages now !!! when filling a cornelius keg i have read you should purge the air out the safty valve with the c02, which i allways do! makes perfect sense to me! but when bottling this is impossable and its never mentioned anywhere, and the ratio of beer to air must be far greater in a bottle can anyone help???????? :wha:

 

[Aleman]

My bottling device allows me to purge the bottle with CO2 before and after filling

The reason its not mentioned anywhere, is that the yeast themselves quickly scavenge any oxygen around, before fermenting priming sugars . . . .of course if you have poor quality yeast then you are looking at potential oxidation over time with storage

 

[topgear]

thanks for your reply, so would you say there in no need to purdge a corni will the yeast do it for me???

 

[jamesb]

The main purpose of purging the cornie is to stop any oxygen pickup while you're transferring the beer in. If you splash the beer in normal air you can oxidise it. Ok, the yeast may scavenge the oxygen, but I'd rather not take the risk.

So I'd purge as a matter of course.

 

[46.philh]

Is there a "How To" fill a cornelius keg and pressurise / force carbonate anywhere ?

 

[robsan77]

I've seen many on youtube

 

[Chris The Masher]

Wouldn't it be nice if one of our experts on cornys were to reply with a step by step based guide on how to / pressures / times etc.......

 

[jamesb]

Wouldn't it be nice if people used the search facility.

It's been covered hundreds of times.

 

[topgear]

hi aleman you got me thinking now :thumb: i use a bottling wand and i can see a way of incorporating a c02 perge at the same time any chance of a picture of your set up???? :

 

[46.philh]

Wouldn't it be nice if people used the search facility.

I do, is there a topic in the how to section ?

 

[timbim]

Martens Brewery in Belgium, which I've had a good look round (before I started any serious brewing, but I've still not got that serious!) Purges his bottles with CO2 (recovered from fermentation), then fills under pressure, another jet of CO2 and then a small blast of SO2. All into PET which he inflates and coats himself. Claims to be the first commercial to bottle into PET and the only to blow beer-ready PET, which he sells to a couple of other breweries.

Fantastic place to look round, brand new plant, continuous flow mash which runs all day to give a day's fermenting run, all pipework and cleaning lines permanently in place, as well as lines for accepting tankers in for other breweries bottling into PET. Claims a 2:1 water efficiency for the entire plant, including cooling etc.

 

[Aleman]

hi aleman you got me thinking now :thumb: i use a bottling wand and i can see a way of incorporating a c02 perge at the same time any chance of a picture of your set up???? :

Blichmann Beer Gun

 

[topgear]

in view of the above coments i am thinking that before i fill my corni is it worth trying to fill with co2 first ? will the gas stay there ????? :hmm:

 

[Aleman]

in view of the above coments i am thinking that before i fill my corni is it worth trying to fill with co2 first ? will the gas stay there ????? :hmm:

Fill the corny with no rinse sanitiser (I use boiling water). then blow the sanitiser out of the corny using CO2 . . . when the corny is empty of sanitiser it is full of CO2 . . . I fill through the beer out dip tube .. . but it's a bit slow . . .if you drop the end of your syphon tube to the bottom of the corny through the lid hole you will displace CO2 as you fill.

 

[topgear]

cheers aleman i will give it a go :thumb:

 

[topgear]

My bottling device allows me to purge the bottle with CO2 before and after filling



re : Blichmann Beer Gun just thinking if you bottle with a gun from a corny how long do you wait before transfer??? and would you filter :hmm:

 

[Aleman]

My bottling device allows me to purge the bottle with CO2 before and after filling

re : Blichmann Beer Gun just thinking if you bottle with a gun from a corny how long do you wait before transfer??? and would you filter :hmm:

Answering the last part first No I don't filter there is no need.
As for the first part, it depends on what I intend to do with the beer. If I am bottling bright carbonated beer from the corny, then I usually give it a couple of weeks in the corny under pressure to carbonate, before chilling right down to 0-1C, release all the pressure and bottle using 2.5 PSI to push the beer out. If I decide to bottle condition I rack from the FV (after 14-21 days fermenting . .although the last 4-11 days are usually crash cooled to drop a lot of yeast out) Into the corny which has a priming syrup added, Pressure is applied to seal, I invert the corny a few times to mix the syrup, and then bottle. . .If it's really cold (<5C) outside I might wait a day or two to bottle at low temperatures the yeast doesn't start working anyway

 

[Springer]

As ever top rate info A, all noted.
Thanks
S

 

[topgear]

thanks for reply aleman i will keep reading it till it sinks in :thumb:

 

[topgear]

If I am bottling bright carbonated beer from the corny say after 2 weeks will it last and stay carbonated as long as "bottle conditioned"???