Co2 suppliers Liverpool?

[Dave 666]

Ok, trying to source a co2 supplier before going down the small soda stream gas bottle route I did some searching and can see these threads come up all the time etc. But the only such thread for my area (Liverpool) is several years old and or the companies mentioned no longer appear to deal in co2.

The only local existing supplier I can currently find is Boc, and with there rental charges (which doesn't seem to be clear for co2) and delivery charges (even collect in person is £20 odd) is simply to cost prohibitive. So is there any Liverpool members on here that can point me in the right direction before I simply get a soda stream has bottle instead?, Thanks.

 

[xozzx]

There are quite a few Hobbyweld suppliers in Liverpool. I get food grade CO2 (6.5kg) from a local Hobbyweld agent - £35 / fill. Deposit was around £60 but no rental.

 

[BarnBrian]

Ok, trying to source a co2 supplier before going down the small soda stream gas bottle route I did some searching and can see these threads come up all the time etc. But the only such thread for my area (Liverpool) is several years old and or the companies mentioned no longer appear to deal in co2.

The only local existing supplier I can currently find is Boc, and with there rental charges (which doesn't seem to be clear for co2) and delivery charges (even collect in person is £20 odd) is simply to cost prohibitive. So is there any Liverpool members on here that can point me in the right direction before I simply get a soda stream has bottle instead?, Thanks.

I get mine from Chorley bottle gas at Adlington, from memory deposit was 60 quid and 35 per refill for 6.5kg

 

[Dave 666]

Thanks for the replies guys. Of cause I don't mind the deposit, as long as it's returnable in full as then to see 6.5kg of co2 for £35 makes far more sense than what, 450g of co2 in a soda stream bottle for £13!.

But still hoping to find local as I'm a non driver & do have a couple of leads to chase up. By the way, is there any real advantage of 1 mix over another?. like pure co2 or a 70(co2)\30 mix?. Mainly pale ales & largest over stouts.

 

[yikkerman]

I use H Roberts - Regent St, Liverpool L3 7BN. 0151 236 7558
They will refill your bottle for £10

 

[yikkerman]

Also - if you use the mixed gas - I have a couple of bottles of 70/30 ( 1 full and 1 part full ) and new regulator for sale as I dont use them anymore.

 

[Horners]

Thanks for the replies guys. Of cause I don't mind the deposit, as long as it's returnable in full as then to see 6.5kg of co2 for £35 makes far more sense than what, 450g of co2 in a soda stream bottle for £13!.

But still hoping to find local as I'm a non driver & do have a couple of years to chase up. By the way, is there any real advantage of 1 mix over another?. like pure co2 or a 70(co2)\30 mix?. Mainly pale ales & largest over stouts.

70:30 is normally 70 Nitrogen rather than CO2. If you are going to be force carbing lagers and pale ales you want 100% CO2. If you want to serve stout in the Guinness fashion then 70:30 beer gas is your one but will also need special tap...

 

[Dave 666]

Also - if you use the mixed gas - I have a couple of bottles of 70/30 ( 1 full and 1 part full ) and new regulator for sale as I dont use them anymore.

Might be interested, but is it a Co2\Nitrogen mix or Nitrogen\co2 mix as Horners feels?.

As if the bigger\ first number in the mix is the Co2, would be better I'm guessing as I'm definitely looking at more pale ales ipa\apa ales & lagers so a heavy co2 content would be preferable. Though if I was to fully force carb, I also have a carbonation stone lid here to which was an extra I got with the corny kegs.

 

[Dave 666]

Also - if you use the mixed gas - I have a couple of bottles of 70/30 ( 1 full and 1 part full ) and new regulator for sale as I dont use them anymore.

Hiya, is the mix co2(70)\nitrogen(30) or nitrogen(70)\co2(30). As said above, interested but would need to know the mix first.

 

[fury_tea]

I use progases UK based in Bootle, think it's 60 deposit and 10 for a refill, they deliver for free to liverpool areas as well

 

[Dave 666]

I use progases UK based in Bootle, think it's 60 deposit and 10 for a refill, they deliver for free to liverpool areas as well

Cheers mate, had a look and they seem to be the closest to me. Though do you get the 60\40 mix as there website mentions about the pure co2 being for industrial use than food grade?

 

[yikkerman]

Hiya, is the mix co2(70)\nitrogen(30) or nitrogen(70)\co2(30). As said above, interested but would need to know the mix first.

Hiya - the bottles are stored in my lock up so cant confirm at the moment. Will dig them out at weekend and let you know.
Cheers

 

[Dave 666]

As a related issue, I'm trying to work out the correct & sized line\hose to go from the co2 regulator to the corny Keg and the clips required to secure the line\hose both regulator & corny Keg end (disconnect).

As I understand both the regulator and disconnect should be 3/8 size so assumingly that's the line size I'm looking for. But is the line itself bog standard clear line like I use for siphoning or does it have to be special pressure tested\rated for the has supply?. Also, would standard jubilee clips do for fixing the line both ends (9.5mm ish)?.

 

[fury_tea]

Cheers mate, had a look and they seem to be the closest to me. Though do you get the 60\40 mix as there website mentions about the pure co2 being for industrial use than food grade?

I just got pure CO2, I gave them a ring and they said it was suitable for homebrew use, been using it for a month or so and I'm not dead yet.

 

[peebee]

Hiya, is the mix co2(70)\nitrogen(30) or nitrogen(70)\co2(30). As said above, interested but would need to know the mix first.

The "convention" is to always place the CO2 figure first, so the common mixes are 30/70 and 60/40.

Trouble with "convention" is it doesn't hold true all the time! It does require that the person writing it down knows of the convention and follows it.

 

[peebee]

@fury_tea's Bootle suggestion sounds best. My supplier charges £10-15 (?) for 6.35kg and no deposit but does have a token rental (about £1 a month? I pay a year's rental so as not to get the embarrassing reminders through the post!). But it involves a trip down the Wirral, past Chester, and as far again to here: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=beer+gas+cymru+wrexham&ie=&oe=

 

[Dave 666]

I just got pure CO2, I gave them a ring and they said it was suitable for homebrew use, been using it for a month or so and I'm not dead yet.

Lol, well I'm oh so tempted, and where the pure co2 food grade yet used for there stated industrial use as well then no problem. But I must admit to being tempted by a nitrogen mix as I'm not sure exactly what brews I'll be doing in the next few months and with a 10 litre cylinder capable of doing up to 150 gallons (so a hell of a lot of kits or brews) would be a shame to find a pure co2 not fully suited if I fancied the odd bitter or mild with a slightly creamy head. Hence whilst most will be lager or more pale ales from the spring I'm thinking would a 60\40 mix be a better option?.

 

[Dave 666]

The "convention" is to always place the CO2 figure first, so the common mixes are 30/70 and 60/40.

Trouble with "convention" is it doesn't hold true all the time! It does require that the person writing it down knows of the convention and follows it.

So what roughly would a lowest co2 content mix be to fully carb lager?, about 50/50 I'm guessing as the most lowest?. So a 60\40 mix I'm guessing should easily fully force carb a lager or suitable pale ale?.

 

[peebee]

So what roughly would a lowest co2 content mix be to fully carb lager?, about 50/50 I'm guessing as the most lowest?. So a 60\40 mix I'm guessing should easily fully force carb a lager or suitable pale ale?.

The clue is in the name: Carb(… on Dioxide). The Nitrogen does nothing but push the beer mammoth distances unless you can get the Nitrogen to dissolve too like Guinness (requires very cold temperatures, very high pressures, perhaps a special tap, and … ?). So, as home brewers don't have "mammoth distances", use 100% CO2 and less pressure than a Pub would use with 60/40 (40% less pressure to be exact, so if a Pub is using 32PSI of 60/40, 14PSI of pure CO2 does the about same job at the same temperature - without getting tangled up explaining "absolute" and "gauge" pressures ).


<EDIT: I couldn't leave that lack of explanation. Well I'm a geek aren't I ? So I found this:

Stole it from this site: https://blog.wika.com/knowhow/difference-between-gauge-pressure-and-absolute-pressure-measurement/. But I didn't read about using absolute pressure when working with "partial pressure", I just spent a good time getting it wrong before figuring it out. So I shouldn't have been using "PSI", it's "PSIG".>

 

[Leon103]

Living in the middle of the countryside I thought it would be hard to get gas or at least an hour round trip. Spoke with the local coal yard, he also sells gas for home cookers etc. He sells co2 for £24 for 6.5kg no deposit needed. Happy days