Wall mounted regulators

aero-spaced-out · Nov 1, 2024

Hi all,

Back again to melt heads.
I want to wall mount my reg(s)

I am about to put a stout on that I want to serve on 70/30 mixed gas.
I haven't got a mixed gas regulator yet and was considering the MK4 mixed gas reg.
I'm struggling to find a hose that have the appropriate end fittings for this.
I'm unsure if I'm just doing my research wrong or what but have literally turned up with zilch.
Other regs with hoses built in exist but for sake of consistency I would like to get the MK4 reg for mixed gas from Kegland...

Just due to the size of my space and where the bottles are going, I tried bottle mounting my CO2 reg and it really doesn't work for my spacing and setup especially if I am getting a 70/30 mixed gas bottle in the same space, so wall mounting my regs and running hoses too them is my best option

Has anybody got a mixed gas reg with a hose? Or have managed to source a hose that I can run from their mixed gas bottle to the reg?

If I need to get a different reg than the MK4 N2 reg for this that has a hose built in then so be it

Cheers

Larse · Nov 1, 2024

Just trying to understand what your issue is. That hose should fit the bottle no problem, DIN477 is the correct size and the other end will fit onto the regulator being a male DIN477, so no issue there. Then the regulator (assuming it's the Kegland N2 reg which works for mixed gas) seems to have a John Guest fitting that will take a 5/16" (8mm) gas line. What am I missing?

aero-spaced-out · Nov 1, 2024

Larse said:
Just trying to understand what your issue is. That hose should fit the bottle no problem, DIN477 is the correct size and the other end will fit onto the regulator being a male DIN477, so no issue there. Then the regulator (assuming it's the Kegland N2 reg which works for mixed gas) seems to have a John Guest fitting that will take a 5/16" (8mm) gas line. What am I missing?

The MK4 N2 reg has a different bottle fitting from the MK4 CO2 reg.
As far as I can see it's an incompatible fitting and would require a different hose.

This is the reg I would like to buy for mixed gas and am having zero luck trying to source a hose for:

https://brewkegtap.co.uk/products/kegland-mk4-beverage-nitrogen-regulator

I'm looking to see if anybody else has the N2 reg and of they have had any lucky sourcing a hose with appropriate Male and Female connectors on the end as I'm coming up dry.

EDIT:
I can see my mistake and the original post is misleading. I have edited it and hopefully it is a bit clearer.

YeastFace · Nov 1, 2024

If oredering from BKT, the barbed fitting in the picture will be replaced with a 3/8" push fitting.

3/8 push-fit output (this is different to the fitting shown

aero-spaced-out · Nov 1, 2024

YeastFace said:
If oredering from BKT, the barbed fitting in the picture will be replaced with a 3/8" push fitting.

It's from the 70/30 gas cylibder to the reg I'm looking for an appropriate hose that has 5/8" BSP RH threads on it male and female.

The CO2 reg I ordered from BKT however has a push fit and it's very convenient

Larse · Nov 1, 2024

aero-spaced-out said:
The hose in the link is for the CO2
As I bought the CO2 MK4 from BKT

The MK4 reg for mixed gas has a different fitting
As far as I can see it's an incompatible fitting and would require a different hose.

This is the reg I have for my CO2 and will be buying the hose for which I don't have an issue with:

https://brewkegtap.co.uk/products/kegland-mk4-beverage-co2-regulator

This is the reg I would like to buy for mixed gas and am having zero luck trying to source a hose for:

https://brewkegtap.co.uk/products/kegland-mk4-beverage-nitrogen-regulator

I'm looking to see if anybody else has the N2 reg and of they have had any lucky sourcing a hose with appropriate Male and Female connectors on the end as I'm coming up dry.

The link states that the hose is for many different gases. Certainly lists usages like welding, which would use a number of different gases like CO2, Argon, etc. Can't find anything there that states it's specific for CO2.

Ideal for connecting gas cylinders to regulators or appliances, this hose is perfect for use in welding, industrial, or laboratory environments. It ensures a reliable gas flow and enhances safety in your gas delivery system.

I see the regulator has a 'Type 50' fitting. Which I believe is an Australian standard. The equivalent standards in Europe/UK are DIN477/BS341/W21.8. I'm not sure if there's anything specific to that connector that only permits the use of N2. I have found a listing of the US CGA standard connectors that includes the CGA320 size which I got on a CO2 regulator (I changed it for a DIN477 one) and in which it states that it is suitable for N2.

The whole thing is a minefield. So many different standards and threads. I tried to get an adaptor to convert the CGA320 to DIN477, but kept getting sent the wrong one. In the end I replaced the entire inlet nut and nipple which was a far more elegant solution.

iKegger are selling an adaptor that appears to convert the type 50 connector to DIN477/BS341/W21.8, Which seems to bear out my belief that it's just a different standard connection and not specific to N2.

aero-spaced-out · Nov 1, 2024

Larse said:
The link states that the hose is for many different gases. Certainly lists usages like welding, which would use a number of different gases like CO2, Argon, etc. Can't find anything there that states it's specific for CO2.

I see the regulator has a 'Type 50' fitting. Which I believe is an Australian standard. The equivalent standards in Europe/UK are DIN477/BS341/W21.8. I'm not sure if there's anything specific to that connector that only permits the use of N2. I have found a listing of the US CGA standard connectors that includes the CGA320 size which I got on a CO2 regulator (I changed it for a DIN477 one) and in which it states that it is suitable for N2.

The whole thing is a minefield. So many different standards and threads. I tried to get an adaptor to convert the CGA320 to DIN477, but kept getting sent the wrong one. In the end I replaced the entire inlet nut and nipple which was a far more elegant solution.

iKegger are selling an adaptor that appears to convert the type 50 connector to DIN477/BS341/W21.8, Which seems to bear out my belief that it's just a different standard connection and not specific to N2.

I've noticed this is the case and it's what's contributing to my hesitation on pulling the trigger on it.
That and I would like consistency between my regs.

Although on the flip side if I have what appears to be the same reg for both CO2 and my 70/30, I could end up getting them confused and turning on the wrong one

Larse · Nov 1, 2024

Have you got a mixed gas bottle yet? Because I think the fitting on those are a female thread as opposed to CO2 which is a male thread. So that hose will fit to the bottle, but the other end won't fit to your regulator. You'd need a hose with a male fitting on each end. I'm assuming this is done to prevent a CO2 regulator being attached to a nitrogen or mixed gas bottle, something similar to fuel pump (petrol and diesel) nozzles. But then the Ozzies have done something different with the Type 50 connector.

aero-spaced-out · Nov 1, 2024

Larse said:
Have you got a mixed gas bottle yet? Because I think the fitting on those are a female thread as opposed to CO2 which is a male thread. So that hose will fit to the bottle, but the other end won't fit to your regulator. You'd need a hose with a male fitting on each end. I'm assuming this is done to prevent a CO2 regulator being attached to a nitrogen or mixed gas bottle, something similar to fuel pump (petrol and diesel) nozzles. But then the Ozzies have done something different with the Type 50 connector.

Not yet

I've not bought as I've not get a reg yet which I'm kinda seeing is a little counterintuitive. Trying to match something up to a product I haven't actually got lol.

Was considering this reg tho as it'd be pretty much exactly what I need (or appears to be):

https://a1barstuff.co.uk/primary-regulator-valve-prv-mix.html

Larse · Nov 1, 2024

It's seems hellishly complicated. That regulator is pictured with a hose (which you need for your setup) but there are none that I can find on that site.

You could always go with my solution to this problem:

AnimatedGIF · Nov 1, 2024

I went down the nitro and don't be put off. If you've done CO2 before, the only difference is the regulator. The one you linked from Brew Keg Tap is adequate and states in the description that it accepts 3/8 gas line as it has 3/8 pushfit, and acknowledges that it is different from the one pictured.

aero-spaced-out · Nov 1, 2024

Larse said:
It's seems hellishly complicated. That regulator is pictured with a hose (which you need for your setup) but there are none that I can find on that site.

You could always go with my solution to this problem:

View attachment 105326

Unfortunately Nitrous is a fully restricted and controlled substance in NI.
We struggled to even get it into our university for a project. The PSNI intercepted the order and showed up to my lecturers office to question why they were trying to purchase it over the internet.
They defended themselves well, ultimately managing to get the NO2, and had the letter framed in their office for a while as a laugh but all the same, unfortunately not an option for me here, even if I could have a go, not sure I want that kind of attention. So the 70/30 mix with thag reg is my best bet.

aero-spaced-out · Nov 1, 2024

AnimatedGIF said:
I went down the nitro and don't be put off. If you've done CO2 before, the only difference is the regulator. The one you linked from Brew Keg Tap is adequate and states in the description that it accepts 3/8 gas line as it has 3/8 pushfit, and acknowledges that it is different from the one pictured.

Aye it's the reg I'm looking to get.
I'm fairly confident about the reg I'm getting now tbh.

Going to be different from the kegland but as give mentioned above, probably not the worst thing in the world so that I don't mix the two up.

Looking forward to trying a few Guinness clones and also an ale with it, like Kilkenny.

Larse · Nov 1, 2024

aero-spaced-out said:
Unfortunately Nitrous is a fully restricted and controlled substance in NI.
We struggled to even get it into our university for a project. The PSNI intercepted the order and showed up to my lecturers office to question why they were trying to purchase it over the internet.
They defended themselves well and had the letter framed in their office for a while as a laugh but all the same, unfortunately not an option for me here. So the 70/30 mix with thag reg is my best bet.

Nitrous Oxide and Nitrogen are two different things. Should be no problem getting it. Unless the PSNI need education on the differences of course.

Edit: I brought in 5 boxes of the bulbs from iKegger last month. No issues.

aero-spaced-out · Nov 1, 2024

Larse said:
Nitrous Oxide and Nitrogen are two different things. Should be no problem getting it. Unless the PSNI need education on the differences of course.

Is the item in the photo not for those small NO2 creamer chargers?

Larse · Nov 1, 2024

aero-spaced-out said:
Is the item in the photo not for those small NO2 creamer chargers?

Maybe you can use them in it, but I got N2 from iKegger. These ones (the pictures in both posts are clickable links):

aero-spaced-out · Nov 1, 2024

Larse said:
Maybe you can use them in it, but I got N2 from iKegger. These ones:

View attachment 105328

Oh here now... I wasn't aware of chargers of just nitrogen.
Thats interesting that

Larse · Nov 1, 2024

aero-spaced-out said:
Oh here now... I wasn't aware of chargers of just nitrogen.
Thats interesting that

You can also get them from TMM, they can be ordered with the gizmo. Click the piccie for the link.

Edit: My thinking was I'd have carbonation in the keg and use the N2 capsules to push out the beer. The beauty of them is that you won't use too much and it's got its own built in regulator. Very neat without messing around with extra lines and regulators etc.

Dark Arts · Nov 2, 2024

Try looking on C02supermarket, I got an adaptor for connecting disposable mix gas cylinder to my mk4 reg on there.

aero-spaced-out · Nov 2, 2024

Dark Arts said:
Try looking on C02supermarket, I got an adaptor for connecting disposable mix gas cylinder to my mk4 reg on there.

Disposable mixed gas cylinder?

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