Wall mounted regulators

[RoomWithABrew]

I'd buy a beer engine with a long neck and get the dedicated stout sparkler, much cheaper, the nitrogen is free and more money for ingredients.

 

[AnimatedGIF]

Just as a quick update
Priced the reg and the gas from a local supplier and it's amounting to nearly 300 quid

I think this is the first time I've actually hesitated on pulling the trigger on something for this hobby due to the costs.

Those creamy pints are calling me but how much stout would I be drinking along side the lager before it paid for itself yanno.

I habitually choose expensive hobbies and then complain when I have no money.

I have a mixed gas set-up which is great. I wouldn't be paying £300 for it though, that's for sure!
Forgive me if I missed it, but what's wrong with the regulator you posted here?
With a cylinder of mixed gas, you'll spend no more than £70 all in (potentially more like £150 if you have to "purchase" the cylinder - depends on supplier).

 

[aero-spaced-out]

I have a mixed gas set-up which is great. I wouldn't be paying £300 for it though, that's for sure!
Forgive me if I missed it, but what's wrong with the regulator you posted here?
With a cylinder of mixed gas, you'll spend no more than £70 all in (potentially more like £150 if you have to "purchase" the cylinder - depends on supplier).

If you could share how you're getting 70 or 150 all in I'd be genuinely interested in where I'm going wrong in my market research here?

The purpose of this post was to find a suitable hose that had the appropriate fittings that could connect to that MK4 Mixed gas regulator and I couldn't get one.
I have a hose for my CO2 but the fittings don't match so I can't use it for the mixed gas
i would like to wall mount my regs
Bottle mounting the regs isn't a viable option in the space I have without risk for the gauges to get damaged or knocked out
So an alternative with a hose was required
The micromatic reg including VAT and shipping is 125
Just the gas and tank alone where I am is 130/140
I've called around a few local gas suppliers and without paying a daily rental charge that I'm not prepared to pay, then I need to put 100 upfront for the tank then 30/40 for the refills after.

Totaling 255/265 so far

Then an appropriate tap for the setup which I've looked about and am seeing online for about 30/40 do if I add another 10 on for shipping then call it a square 40

Puts me at around the 300 mark

 

[AnimatedGIF]

If you could share how you're getting 70 or 150 all in I'd be genuinely interested in where I'm going wrong in my market research here?

The purpose of this post was to find a suitable hose that had the appropriate fittings that could connect to that MK4 Mixed gas regulator and I couldn't get one.
I have a hose for my CO2 but the fittings don't match so I can't use it for the mixed gas
i would like to wall mount my regs
Bottle mounting the regs isn't a viable option in the space I have without risk for the gauges to get damaged or knocked out
So an alternative with a hose was required
The micromatic reg including VAT and shipping is 125
Just the gas and tank alone where I am is 130/140
I've called around a few local gas suppliers and without paying a daily rental charge that I'm not prepared to pay, then I need to put 100 upfront for the tank then 30/40 for the refills after.

Totaling 255/265 so far

Then an appropriate tap for the setup which I've looked about and am seeing online for about 30/40 do if I add another 10 on for shipping then call it a square 40

Puts me at around the 300 mark

I think I misunderstood, thinking £300 was for a regulator and gas only.
Although I know the wall mounted regulator is in the thread title, I just wondered if it was a dealbreaker as you linked a bottle mounted reg in a subsequent post. Given your circumstances (requirement for wall mounted, local gas suppliers), £300 makes more sense now.
Gas prices (both for refill, rental/purchase) seem to vary wildly from that I can see.
If it helps, I always think of the cylinder purchase or rental relative to the overall cost of the hobby. £100 "purchase" of the cylinder over 10 years isn't much, but I appreciate it hits hard at the time of purchase!

 

[aero-spaced-out]

I think I misunderstood, thinking £300 was for a regulator and gas only.
Although I know the wall mounted regulator is in the thread title, I just wondered if it was a dealbreaker as you linked a bottle mounted reg in a subsequent post. Given your circumstances (requirement for wall mounted, local gas suppliers), £300 makes more sense now.
Gas prices (both for refill, rental/purchase) seem to vary wildly from that I can see.
If it helps, I always think of the cylinder purchase or rental relative to the overall cost of the hobby. £100 "purchase" of the cylinder over 10 years isn't much, but I appreciate it hits hard at the time of purchase!

I apologise if my previous message seemed passive aggressive I read back over it there was was a bit at myself
No offense meant

Yeah it is the immediate investment that's really hitting me
If the initial 100 wasn't there for the tank I wouldn't even bat an eyelid at it
I had the same hesitation for my CO2 tank and its been one of the best things I bought to date


Overall I know I'm not likely to regret buying the kit for it as it will end up paying for itself I just grit my teeth a little at the idea of just dropping that amount in one go this close to the man in the big red suit arriving

 

[AnimatedGIF]

I apologise if my previous message seemed passive aggressive I read back over it there was was a bit at myself
No offense meant

Yeah it is the immediate investment that's really hitting me
If the initial 100 wasn't there for the tank I wouldn't even bat an eyelid at it
I had the same hesitation for my CO2 tank and its been one of the best things I bought to date


Overall I know I'm not likely to regret buying the kit for it as it will end up paying for itself I just grit my teeth a little at the idea of just dropping that amount in one go this close to the man in the big red suit arriving

All good mate, I didn't take it that way
Yeah, it's a hefty lump of cash, for sure!
I'd say if you like nitro beers generally, you'll get as much value out of it as you did your CO2 set-up.

 

[Larse]

I thought maybe you could pick up some second hand kit and had a quick look on adverts.ie. Came across this. Chap is selling a complete bar setup but doesn't seem to have a gas bottle that I can see. Probably won't split it, but you never know. And it does show that there are some out there. Click the pic for the link.

 

[Larse]

He has more. Selling separately.

 

[peebee]

All good mate, I didn't take it that way ...

@aero-spaced-out: I think @AnimatedGIF is backing off, But I can't see why? £300 is a scandalous amount, even with regulator and cylinder included. There's also what he pointed out ... you'd already cast your eye over Kegland Mk4 Beverage N2 / Mixed Gas Regulator, which at £44.50 is more sane than the "A1 Bar Stuff" rip-off. Although it's back to "Kegland", now sporting a "Type 10" connecting nut (a what?), at least I'd trust "brewkegtap.co.uk" to be sending the right connection to a UK address. I'd missed/forgotten you'd posted that back in the mists of time.

Not wall-mounted? But I don't agree with them (potentially dangerous in my eyes). But you need to chain the cylinder to the wall whichever regulator you go with.

You'll still need a cylinder and gas. But you must be able to get that for <£250! You don't need to buy a cylinder, if you do you will be responsible for updating its certificate before refill (though you may be charged a small rental if you use the supplier's cylinder).

At least with that regulator you could consider an "adapter" to connect it to a lower pressure CO2 cylinder. If the "adapter" is made well enough to be reliable. It's still not a recommendation from me!



Personally, I'd go with @RoomWithABrew's suggestion and get a hand-pump. But I accept some people must have this cold "nitrogen" Mr. Whippy head on Stout. (Err? Is that an excuse for ... Yeah! ... "Blah!" ).

 

[aero-spaced-out]

@aero-spaced-out: I think @AnimatedGIF is backing off, But I can't see why? £300 is a scandalous amount, even with regulator and cylinder included. There's also what he pointed out ... you'd already cast your eye over Kegland Mk4 Beverage N2 / Mixed Gas Regulator, which at £44.50 is more sane than the "A1 Bar Stuff" rip-off. Although it's back to "Kegland", now sporting a "Type 10" connecting nut (a what?), at least I'd trust "brewkegtap.co.uk" to be sending the right connection to a UK address. I'd missed/forgotten you'd posted that back in the mists of time.

Not wall-mounted? But I don't agree with them (potentially dangerous in my eyes). But you need to chain the cylinder to the wall whichever regulator you go with.

You'll still need a cylinder and gas. But you must be able to get that for <£250! You don't need to buy a cylinder, if you do you will be responsible for updating its certificate before refill (though you may be charged a small rental if you use the supplier's cylinder).

At least with that regulator you could consider an "adapter" to connect it to a lower pressure CO2 cylinder. If the "adapter" is made well enough to be reliable. It's still not a recommendation from me!



Personally, I'd go with @RoomWithABrew's suggestion and get a hand-pump. But I accept some people must have this cold "nitrogen" Mr. Whippy head on Stout. (Err? Is that an excuse for ... Yeah! ... "Blah!" ).

It is a scandalous amount you're correct.
Micromatic from what I seen on their website build to an EU directive for pressure devices so I'm willing to stand by that and pay for that confidence that the device will work reliably under the appropriate conditions that I wanna use it for.

I've got my CO2 chained in and will be anchoring my mixed gas in too.

Im wholeheartedly with you about the adapters.
Although, I've no issue with regulators with hoses on them. They shouldn't dangerous if they have been purpose built to be used like that.

Seen my fair share of good and bad setups in my last job that worked with tanks N2 (gaseous and liquid) CO2 and just compressed air from a large compressor fed into a large tank.
Had a hose of just the compressed air blow off (thank goodness it wasn't one of the asphyxiating gades) on us and it destroyed quite a bit in the room, it was down to an adapter that should never have been used so I'm not really entertaining the idea of any sort of adapters.
I understand your caution.

It's just the price of the gas itself. With the initial payment is what's doing me in so if I gotta pay the 130/140 for the cylinder and gas then heyo
It's grim but it is what it is.
The 100 upfront is for supplier tank rental. 30/40 for gas and then 30/40 for a new refilled tank every time I need it.
its the tank rental that stings me more out of all of it in completely honesty

Yeah NI shipping from Mainland adds on an extra 20 extra quid for the reg. Again, it is what it is. Im used to that at this point lol.

I've started pulling the trigger on it all, Reg has been ordered along with some other stuff.

I'm unfortunately one of those chasing the cold nitrogen whippy head on Stout so this image is probably a good way to sum up my current situation.
https://imgflip.com/memegenerator/Bike-Fall

 

[RoomWithABrew]

You do get the solid beer head with a stout sparkler on a long neck beer engine. You'd be hard pushed to tell the difference in the beer once poured.

Personally, I'd go with @RoomWithABrew's suggestion and get a hand-pump. But I accept some people must have this cold "nitrogen" Mr. Whippy head on Stout. (Err? Is that an excuse for ... Yeah! ... "Blah!"

 

[aero-spaced-out]

Just realised it had been a minute and thought I'd throw a final update in about this since I am more or less finishing up with my temp chamber setup.
See attached image.
Have holes drilled in the top insulating board of the fridge but hidden under the cover so that I can run tubing in to feed my kegs or provide gas to my fermenter.

1 line in for 30/70 CO2/N2 and 1 line for just pure CO2.

Updates on this will be posted here:
https://www.thehomebrewforum.co.uk/threads/drilling-holes-in-fridge.106293/

 

[peterpiper]

Sorry. But how to fix, the ex Scottish water regulator boss to the wall, is first thing that comes to my mind.

Audit Scotland raised concerns about almost £75,000 in Water Industry Commission for Scotland (Wics) expenditure, that did not comply with Scottish government rules. Wics spent more than £105,000 on the departure of its former chief executive, Alan Sutherland.