Sadfield
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Citation required. He was dead. He also retired in 1991.
https://brauwelt.com/en/news/people...stry-mourns-the-loss-of-wolfgang-kunze-622541
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Check on research gate, I don't know if it was Anton Kunze which it could well be.
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Or, never happened. Usual BS.
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Wietstock, P. C., Kunz, T. and Methner, F.-J.Influence of Hopping Technology onOxidative Stability and Staling-RelatedCarbonyls in Pale Lager Beer
An Ankoù
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Agreed.
But there seem to be two quite separate goals and the Omega claims (at least in the article) have nothing to do with binding metal ions. It's Omega' s goal that interests me. Janish has interesting things to stay about metal ions particularly manganese in unmalted oats, but that's a different issue.
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I agree, I was clarifying what is was used for as someone had stated it was used in bygone days, Has any research been done on any flavour I have never seen any and I think it would have been mentioned in the paper the only mention was it made the beer more bitter. This was having passed through paper filters a couple of times.
Sadfield
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Luers was only looking at bitterness.
Kunz et al clearly states there's a positive influence on flavour stability that questions Luers assertions. Perhaps look at more modern research regarding the chelation of iron.
An Ankoù
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It seems the only research is that, which I'm doing at the moment
Hardly scientific, though. No side by side, no control of variables. But the flavour is quite different to previous batches.
Whether that's down to the mash hopping or using k-97 yeast or both, I have no idea.
It seems not all hops benefit from this. Cascade is one that (allegedly) does. That's the hop I've been using.
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We've established that neither the late Wolfgang Kunze or Anton Kunze or Thomas Kunz, made the claim. So, I'll stick with BS.
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Free world, do what you like. Very easy to download the file from Research Gate. Well it is for most people.
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Post #29. There's this quote directly from it. So, yes it is easy.
Lüers [67] mentioned in 1950 that the addition of
hops to the mash is a ‘substantial waste’. This seems to be valid
as related to the hop bitter acid utilization; yet, when taking the
results from this study into consideration, this statement has to
be qualified again as the positive effects on beer flavor stability
were not known.
Sadfield
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Research is ongoing, such as this from 2023.
"The findings suggest that natural chelators have the potential to enhance beer flavour stability by diminishing radical formation during brewing and lowering the amount of transition metals and aldehydes in the final product."
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...kQFnoECCIQAQ&usg=AOvVaw27Qsm0r_a6uEIMZ_mmjLRo
Echoes my experience.
"The findings suggest that natural chelators have the potential to enhance beer flavour stability by diminishing radical formation during brewing and lowering the amount of transition metals and aldehydes in the final product."
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...kQFnoECCIQAQ&usg=AOvVaw27Qsm0r_a6uEIMZ_mmjLRo
Echoes my experience.
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Exactly, but don't be put off by what they did find. Just carry on doing it. I won't bother.
Sadfield
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They didn't find anything to be put off by, you made your own conclusion up.
Foxy, says no.
Lets carry on with open minds. What's to lose other than a few quids worth of hops.
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With the same outcome, further research is needed. But one home brewer reckons it's great and the sheep follow.
All the Pro Brewers are falling over themselves to get into 'Mash Hopping'
https://discussions.probrewer.com/f...ailable-for-sponsorship/7147-hops-in-the-mash
So what was the final outcome? Please let us knowThey didn't find anything to be put off by, you made your own conclusion up.
Foxy, says no.
Lets carry on with open minds. What's to lose other than a few quids worth of hops.
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Probrewer thread from 2009.
I don't know. Yet. Follow the research, do your own experiment. Don't listen to Antipodean idiots that invent citations, to discourage you.
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Have a look at the 20022 post.Probrewer thread from 2009.
With the same outcome, further research is needed. But one home brewer reckons it's great and the sheep follow.
All the Pro Brewers are falling over themselves to get into 'Mash Hopping'
https://discussions.probrewer.com/f...ailable-for-sponsorship/7147-hops-in-the-mash
So what was the final outcome? Please let us know
Home brewing is not a hobby... it simply has to be a science! Home brewing the new HiFi spend a shed load on trying to achieve something that most people cannot detect.
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