The government has given an update on calls to ban certain types of headlights on cars amid fears they’re so bright they’re causing accidents.

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The sooner these are tested at MOT and if you have incorrect bulbs filleted its a fail the better.

Adaptive headlight technology (at 2:43 ) in the video does look like the answer -



The government has given an update on calls to ban certain types of headlights on cars amid fears they’re so bright they’re causing accidents. AA members have told the organisation that LED lights on vehicles are among the factors causing them to be “blinded” while driving, according to its president Edmund King.

And according to national collisions data, dazzling headlights were a contributing factor in 216 incidents in 2023. In a new question at the Commons, Jim Shannon from the Democratic Unionist Party asked the Secretary of State for Transport, “what assessment she has made of the adequacy of the safety of LED headlights on cars (a) generally and (b) on country roads.”

And Lilian Greenwood replied yesterday (January 20) that a new study has been commissioned - and would be looking into potential ‘countermeasures’. She said: “All types of road vehicle headlamps are designed, tested, and approved to internationally recognised standards to help prevent undue glare and ensure safety on a broad range of roads and environments.

”However, noting increased public concern about headlamp glare, Government has commissioned independent research to better understand the root causes and develop potential countermeasures. This work is underway and due to deliver in summer 2025; it will include real-world assessment of glare on a broad range of road types and scenarios including country roads.”

A petition on the House of Commons website has called for them to be banned, and it said: "We believe LED headlights need to be banned on public roads. A recent survey found that almost 9 in 10 people think at least some headlights on cars on the road today are too bright."

Data also shows that of the 216 collisions allegedly caused by brilliant headlamps 11 of them were each in Kent and Surrey, the worst affected council areas. The 216 total was up from 211 the year before, but down from 315 in 2017 and 309 a decade ago.



AA president Edmund King said: “Our own research shows it is an issue for some drivers with three quarters saying they have been blinded by oncoming headlights. Our members tell us that they are feeling the strain of brighter headlights more than ever before, as well as brighter brake and traffic lights.

“Conversely, they also say brighter lights enhance road safety. The problem seems to be LED lights on higher vehicles such as SUVs. The Government-sponsored investigation into the use of LED lights on our roads should help clarify this issue further, as well as provide appropriate measures where needed.”

Mr Downie, the MP for Dunfermline and Dollar in Scotland, has raised the issue previously and said: “I have heard from constituents, as well as from family and friends and my own experience driving round the constituency that cars with newer LED lights can be blinding for other road users.

“While they might illuminate the road well for the driver, they dazzle in the eyes of other road users and could be dangerous. In addition, technology such as automatic beam control that is more common means some drivers are less aware of the impact their own lighting might have on others.

“The safety of individual drivers cannot be at the expense of other road users and pedestrians. I am glad this is something the Government is now looking at and I look forward to the results and what action can be taken to improve road safety.”

RAC senior policy officer Rod Dennis said: “Few issues we deal with have triggered quite as much of a reaction among drivers as the brightness of headlights. It’s clear that, for a proportion of the driving public, glare affects them profoundly on the roads at night.

“But while the frustration is evident, the causes of the problem and what can be done about it are much less clear. That’s why the Government-funded project is so important.”

Ms Greenwood, in her written reply to Mr Downie, said: “National collision statistics, which can record headlamp dazzle as a contributory factor, do not show any discernible trend to suggest that advances in lighting technology are contributing negatively to road vehicle collisions.

“However, noting increased public concern, Government has commissioned independent research to better understand the root causes of headlamp glare and develop potential countermeasures.

“This work is under way and is due to deliver in summer 2025.”

https://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/news/motoring/bright-headlight-ban-update-minister-9880584
 
Just wear sunglasses 😎

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I still don't understand why us oldiewonks don't use anti-glare glasses?
They're a game changer.

Not only are they great against LED lights, but I've found they stop tiredness.

Why should we be forced to wear glasses because these morons illegally fit a zillion candlepower bulbs in their cars and crank the beam leveller up to the highest setting?
 
On a more serious note if they sorted out the current state of the roads you wouldn't need such bright lights.

I drive a 2 mile stretch of dual carriageway on my commute, from the motorway to bit of Worcester I live in, generally in the dark in the winter. It has cat's eyes but they don't seem to reflect anymore and the lane marking is practically non-existent, it's pretty much guess work as to where to place your car on the road, add to that the massive pot holes everywhere to try to avoid. It's not just this stretch of road I've noticed this on either.

Also any car sold in the UK have to be type approved before it can be sold, this would include checking its headlights met certain specifications, so I don't see how they can go around banning previously compliant headlights. There may be a few cars around where people have fitted after market LED 'bulbs' and I can see that being a problem, but it should be a very small minority.

Admittedly I've not had a car with LED headlights yet, but my last two had Xeons, those had to have self levelling and washers to prevent glare. The ones on the BMW I had were especially cool as the followed the road / steering input and also focused nearer or further depending how quick you were going. I expect LEDs have the same requirements.
 
Why should we be forced to wear glasses because these morons illegally fit a zillion candlepower bulbs in their cars and crank the beam leveller up to the highest setting?
I'm not sure they are talking about aftermarket upgrades in the article though, must be a small minority with anything like that fitted and yes if it doesn't comply to regulations then they should be banned. Manufacturer fitted LEDs though should have been tested for compliance.
 
Easy answer if your blinded by these fancy dan lights give a blast of full beam wrong i know but it lets them know, it like the idiots who can't fit bulbs the right way and have one on high beam and one normal
 
Frankly, 99% of the lamps we're talking about that blind people are the ones that came with the car.
Xeon aftermarkets are illegal and have been for some years - they're an instant fail.

I'm not saying they're not sold and people don't use them, but I find the biggest culprits are modern cars. My EV has LED lights and they're ridiculously bright. I've even told Renault and they've basically said "They are what they are".

They're compliant. Doesn't stop them blinding people.
 
I have LED lights on mine they are bright but not dazzling I find some to be horrendous tho I do agree a lot of the time its not the fault of the bulb but the headlight manufactures fit cheap junk. This forces many into fitting higher power bulbs that spread everywhere.

ironically a good projector unit has well defined cut off areas and much better focus of beam pattern.

sadly only more expensive cars used projectors now they are LED and a lot are sealed units.

My sons motorbike is good example can blind everyone but crap vision for him fitted a pair of high quality LED units no glare much better night vision.

LED aftermarket is an issue I use Auxito in my bike costs a bit more but worth it they are bright but defined.

As said big part of the issue is the height of SUVs etc they are up high and due to softer suspension they bob and the lights glare
 
My EV has LED lights and they're ridiculously bright. I've even told Renault and they've basically said "They are what they are".

They're compliant. Doesn't stop them blinding people
The brightness is bad enough but to add to that people dont use the level dial properly, how many times have you flashed an incoming driver blinding you only to have them flash back to tell you they are on low beam, leave the dial on the lowest setting if you can.
 
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The brightness is bad enough but to add to that people dont use the level dial properly, how many times have you flashed an incoming driver blinding you only to have them flash back to tell you they are on low beam, leave the dial on the lowest setting if you can.
Again, most cars now have auto-sensors. They work out how loaded the car is and adjust accordingly.
 
Again, most cars now have auto-sensors. They work out how loaded the car is and adjust accordingly.
The problem is *every Corsa owned by a teenager has had a headlight upgrade these are not designed for the cars so the beam is not correct and it's not just Corsa owners go on eBay and look for led upgrade for Corsa etc.

*Slight exaggeration saying "every" but there are many.
 
The problem is *every Corsa owned by a teenager has had a headlight upgrade these are not designed for the cars so the beam is not correct and it's not just Corsa owners go on eBay and look for led upgrade for Corsa etc.

*Slight exaggeration saying "every" but there are many.
very true most halogen equipped car would not have auto adjust as they were not required to still not, so why would manufacturer spent the extra money when they dont need to.

My BEV came with halogen headlights, only new or top end that doesn't its all about money
 
Again, most cars now have auto-sensors. They work out how loaded the car is and adjust accordingly.

I am not talking about modern cars I did mention after market in an earlier reply this was my second post on the subject -

The problem is *every Corsa owned by a teenager has had a headlight upgrade these are not designed for the cars so the beam and brightness is not correct and it's not just Corsa owners go on eBay and look for led upgrade for Corsa etc.
*Slight exaggeration saying "every" but there are many.
 
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The sooner these are tested at MOT and if you have incorrect bulbs filleted its a fail the better.

Adaptive headlight technology (at 2:43 ) in the video does look like the answer -



The government has given an update on calls to ban certain types of headlights on cars amid fears they’re so bright they’re causing accidents. AA members have told the organisation that LED lights on vehicles are among the factors causing them to be “blinded” while driving, according to its president Edmund King.

And according to national collisions data, dazzling headlights were a contributing factor in 216 incidents in 2023. In a new question at the Commons, Jim Shannon from the Democratic Unionist Party asked the Secretary of State for Transport, “what assessment she has made of the adequacy of the safety of LED headlights on cars (a) generally and (b) on country roads.”

And Lilian Greenwood replied yesterday (January 20) that a new study has been commissioned - and would be looking into potential ‘countermeasures’. She said: “All types of road vehicle headlamps are designed, tested, and approved to internationally recognised standards to help prevent undue glare and ensure safety on a broad range of roads and environments.

”However, noting increased public concern about headlamp glare, Government has commissioned independent research to better understand the root causes and develop potential countermeasures. This work is underway and due to deliver in summer 2025; it will include real-world assessment of glare on a broad range of road types and scenarios including country roads.”

A petition on the House of Commons website has called for them to be banned, and it said: "We believe LED headlights need to be banned on public roads. A recent survey found that almost 9 in 10 people think at least some headlights on cars on the road today are too bright."

Data also shows that of the 216 collisions allegedly caused by brilliant headlamps 11 of them were each in Kent and Surrey, the worst affected council areas. The 216 total was up from 211 the year before, but down from 315 in 2017 and 309 a decade ago.



AA president Edmund King said: “Our own research shows it is an issue for some drivers with three quarters saying they have been blinded by oncoming headlights. Our members tell us that they are feeling the strain of brighter headlights more than ever before, as well as brighter brake and traffic lights.

“Conversely, they also say brighter lights enhance road safety. The problem seems to be LED lights on higher vehicles such as SUVs. The Government-sponsored investigation into the use of LED lights on our roads should help clarify this issue further, as well as provide appropriate measures where needed.”

Mr Downie, the MP for Dunfermline and Dollar in Scotland, has raised the issue previously and said: “I have heard from constituents, as well as from family and friends and my own experience driving round the constituency that cars with newer LED lights can be blinding for other road users.

“While they might illuminate the road well for the driver, they dazzle in the eyes of other road users and could be dangerous. In addition, technology such as automatic beam control that is more common means some drivers are less aware of the impact their own lighting might have on others.

“The safety of individual drivers cannot be at the expense of other road users and pedestrians. I am glad this is something the Government is now looking at and I look forward to the results and what action can be taken to improve road safety.”

RAC senior policy officer Rod Dennis said: “Few issues we deal with have triggered quite as much of a reaction among drivers as the brightness of headlights. It’s clear that, for a proportion of the driving public, glare affects them profoundly on the roads at night.

“But while the frustration is evident, the causes of the problem and what can be done about it are much less clear. That’s why the Government-funded project is so important.”

Ms Greenwood, in her written reply to Mr Downie, said: “National collision statistics, which can record headlamp dazzle as a contributory factor, do not show any discernible trend to suggest that advances in lighting technology are contributing negatively to road vehicle collisions.

“However, noting increased public concern, Government has commissioned independent research to better understand the root causes of headlamp glare and develop potential countermeasures.

“This work is under way and is due to deliver in summer 2025.”

https://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/news/motoring/bright-headlight-ban-update-minister-9880584


another option is mandate the maximum height of headlights from the ground, my Hyundia Kona is one of these horrible mini crossover type vehicles its got a higher bonnet line due to this BUT the head lights are placed low down ( have to access the bulb via the inside if wheel arch as so low down) the DRL is placed up top short throw non blinding the main headlights down low if big SUVs adopted this design it would help as well.

Adaptive is absolutely the way ahead have the BMW and Audi systems they are superb but very expensive and need the LIDAR system (or similar)associated with adaptive cruise control and active collision avoidance all great but comes down to money yet again.

LEDs are good but the next generation Laser lights are better again and they absolutely need adaptive control.

At least here in the UK headlight aim is part of the MOT makes the case for it being every year not just waiting until 3 years old
 
another option is mandate the maximum height of headlights from the ground, my Hyundia Kona is one of these horrible mini crossover type vehicles

I couldn't disagree more if height of the lights was an issue every wagon, van and vehicle taller than a small family car would dazzle you its not the height of the lights above the road surface its how they are set and how bright the bulbs are.

I have been driving 40+ years (and riding with one light for many) i have never hit a hedge, kerb or oncoming vehicle because my lights were not bright enough these lights do not need to be as bright as they are its just another thing car dealers can put on the list of things you think your car needs.
 
Frankly, 99% of the lamps we're talking about that blind people are the ones that came with the car.
Xeon aftermarkets are illegal and have been for some years - they're an instant fail.

I'm not saying they're not sold and people don't use them, but I find the biggest culprits are modern cars. My EV has LED lights and they're ridiculously bright. I've even told Renault and they've basically said "They are what they are".

They're compliant. Doesn't stop them blinding people.
This conundrum haunts me...
"They are what they are"....what if they're not actually what they are OR what could they possibly be otherwise? Shoes, bananas...the list is endless!
It's like when someone says.."THEY said.." who are THEY?
 
Frankly, 99% of the lamps we're talking about that blind people are the ones that came with the car.
Xeon aftermarkets are illegal and have been for some years - they're an instant fail.

Wrong, the young Corsa (other models fit here) owners who want to "upgrade" their lights because they believe the standard ones are useless know they are an MOT fail so replace them for the MOT.

Unlike in modern cars these older cars don't need half the front of the car taking off to get at the bulbs its a 10 minute job to switch so that's what they do.

From the horses mouth - (18 pages)
https://www.ukcorsa-d.com/search/125246/?q=LED+headlight+bulbs&c[showFilter]=visibleOnly&o=relevance
 
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