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[Wez]

Whats with the sugar?????

I haven't seen any DP recipe or Historic IPA recipe that suggests the use of sugar Lots of hops yes. Sugar. No.???? Sacks of Malt, yes. Sugar. No...

INDIA ALE (1885)
Mew-Landon, IOW.

Recipe no. 5 in Old British Beers
Quantity for 1 gallon (4.5lts) OG 1056
1 lb 15 oz (880g) Pale Malt
7 oz (200g) White Sugar
1.07 oz (30g) Goldings

See link below :thumb:

http://www.durdenparkbeer.org.uk/recipe ... ramme.html

 

[MEB]

Well, that explains it. It's from the Isle of Wight!!!!!

 

[Jonnyv]

:lol:

Odd things come from that island.

 

[MEB]

:lol:

Odd things come from that island.

Yep-like bunging loads of sugar in an otherwise perfect brew...

 

[Vossy1]

I haven't seen any DP recipe or Historic IPA recipe that suggests the use of sugar

You've not been looking hard enough at the DP book...shame on you :lol:
Recipes, 5, 9, 19, 28, 32, 43, 58, 67, 71 and more I can't be bothered to list
Some even have honey :P

 

[Phil]

Whats with the sugar??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

I haven't seen any DP recipe or Historic IPA recipe that suggests the use of sugar :wha: Lots of hops yes. Sugar. No.???? Sacks of Malt, yes. Sugar. No...
But then i haven't seen a DP or Historic recipe that says 'throw in a bit of sodium and some processed fish' either... :P


Be interested to know why your after dryness by the addition of sugar. :hmm: My DP IPA's are quite sweet and i like them like that.
I followed DP's recipe to the letter. It seems a bit of a backslide by using all that malt for a strong sweet beer and then adding sugar to make it dry????? Or am i missing something here????

In addition to the books that Durden Park have published they have a list of 620 recipes from various archives. In the region of 150 of these include some kind of sugar be it white, light or dark brown. That's, of course, across all beer styles. Specifically those labelled as IPA's vary from having a grist of nothing but pale malt (probably white malt or low colour pale would be more historically correct) through a mix of malt and flaked rice or sugar to a mix of all three.

The reason for wanting to dry a big beer out is to make it more quaffable (as much as a 7% beer can be). I like the full bodied beers too but on a warm day an IPA that's been made a little drier can be really thirst quenching.

/Phil.

 

[Wez]

Normal household or brewing sugar guys? :hmm:

 

[MEB]

I haven't seen any DP recipe or Historic IPA recipe that suggests the use of sugar

You've not been looking hard enough at the DP book...shame on you :lol:
Recipes, 5, 9, 19, 28, 32, 43, 58, 67, 71 and more I can't be bothered to list
Some even have honey :P

I don't have a DP book. I just have a link to the reproduced 2nd edition. Which doesn't contain a single recipe that includes sugar or honey. Ground peas and beans yes. Some weirdo herbs i've never heard of too but no sugar. :hmm:

Sugar is sugar WEZ. Use anything.

 

[Vossy1]

I don't have a DP book. I just have a link to the reproduced 2nd edition. Which doesn't contain a single recipe that includes sugar or honey. Ground peas and beans yes. Some weirdo herbs i've never heard of too but no sugar.

Mines the third edition. I wouldn't have thought they'd have changed the recipes that much between editions...goe's to show :hmm:

Normal household or brewing sugar guys?

Mostly white household in the book

Sugar is sugar WEZ. Use anything

They do impart different characteristics to beer depending on how they have been manufactured/refined. Take for instance demerara v's white, cane v's beet, honey v's golden syrup, all sugars but very different results in beer.

 

[Wez]

Mostly white household in the book

Cheers Vossy

So, 2 teaspoons in my tea tomorrow morning then the rest goes in the boiler :grin:

 

[Phil]

Mines the third edition. I wouldn't have thought they'd have changed the recipes that much between editions...goe's to show :hmm:

Yes the on line book has some recipes that use some strange ingredients but the most recent one is more conventional using hops rather than herbs and berries for bittering. Some beers appear in both books with slightly different recipes such as Simmonds Bitter. Presumably because Pale Amber malt wasn't available when the first book came out so am approximation of it was used (carapils and amber malt).

/Phil.

 

[Jonnyv]

Phil,

I have the latest edition - I'm intrigued as to the other recipes listed for Simmonds Bitter (because the Simmonds Brewery was just down the road from me).

Would you mind posting the original/later editions (bar the latest) of the recipes? Would be interesting to compare.

 

[Phil]

The latest edition is the latest recipe so this is the one you should use if you have the right ingredients. The older recipe is the one in the link I posted above. I think the link is for the 2nd edition of the book....

The books don't seem to be true "editions" as the recipes in each seem to be for different beers rather than the same beers with updated recipes.

The 620 recipes I mentioned earlier aren't in the public domain.

/Phil.

 

[Vossy1]

The 620 recipes I mentioned earlier aren't in the public domain.

That's a shame, still, plenty to go at in the book

 

[MEB]

Durden Park Circle are gods and therfore anything they say is a religion. :lol:


I'm not surprised the 620 recipes aren't fully available to the public. Long live DP.

Nice to see your the only brewer with a link Phil-nice site you have there, really good. I WILL be trying your HOP JUICE recipe along with your Baggage Smasher. Top marks for sharing.

I'd steer towards honey or raw sugar-but thats just me as an old hippy. :

 

[Phil]

Durden Park Circle are gods and therfore anything they say is a religion. :lol:

Hmmm :hmm: I wouldn't go that far but I would say that the majority of the members are superb brewers. Very knowledgeable and experienced.

Nice to see your the only brewer with a link Phil-nice site you have there, really good. I WILL be trying your HOP JUICE recipe along with your Baggage Smasher. Top marks for sharing.

Thanks. I must get around to updating the web page to include the work I'm doing with finding a house yeast and growing it.

You'll enjoy the hop juice. It's a smashing beer after about 9 months but a week out of the fermenter it's a harsh, intensely bitter beer with a beautiful hop flavour. A completely different drink.

You'll notice I didn't use any sugar in this recipe. I do prefer my IPA's with a little sugar as I said in the earlier post but I put this recipe together when I was dead against using sugar in my beers. I take a more pragmatic approach these days and see sugar as an ingredient that has it's pros and cons like any other.

The baggage smasher is a firm favourite with my father and his friends because it's quite a complex beer without the strength of the Whitbread 1850 so they can sink a couple of pints without getting trolleyed :drink:

Personally, I prefer the 1850, but then I don't mind being trolleyed :grin:

/Phil.

 

[Oblivious]

Durden Park Circle are gods and therfore anything they say is a religion. :lol:

Ron Patterson blog Shut up about Barclay Perkins have some very detailed info on old beer that Durden park does not cover there are also some recipe thrown in there toO, well worth a read

 

[Phil]

Interestingly, last night at the DP meeting one of the members did present a photo that he found on the internet of the brewing log for a 1937 Barclays IBS. Is this what you are talking about?

If so, do you have a link to the recipe?

/Phil.

 

[Oblivious]

Interestingly, last night at the DP meeting one of the members did present a photo that he found on the internet of the brewing log for a 1937 Barclays IBS. Is this what you are talking about?

If so, do you have a link to the recipe?

/Phil.

I dd did a version of 1937 Barclays IBS here viewtopic.php?f=21&t=1102&start=0

THis is the pic, its was give to me from Michael Tonsmeire AKA The Mad Fermentationist, the Rom Patterson had done the original research

Here is a link to the 1937 Barclays IBS logbook http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_7Ue6KBH0xVw/R ... y+IBST.JPG[/img]

 

[Phil]

Thanks for that. Excellent stuff :thumb:

/Phil.