Heat pumps are they a waste of money?

[MashBag]

I remember back when i was a kid we had coal fires with back boilers which t heated water in a huge copper water tank in the airing cupboard those tanks seemed to be a lot bigger than the tanks these heat pups have you are going to have to be able to store a lot of hot water for days you have little sun or wind i don't think either are the solution if you are off grid.

Probably best with a wood burner and back boiler.

Were you a bit smaller then?

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Were you a bit smaller then?

Yes but all cars are not the size of mini busses now

 

[Chippy_Tea]

This is a great thread thanks to input from @jof @Northern_Brewer and the others members who either own or know their stuff about Heat Pumps, there is a lot of negative hear say about them on the internet its nice to see positive comments from owners.

 

[MashBag]

Just to nail my colours to the mast. I am pro. In the right circumstances they are fantastic.
But along with everything else...
One size does not fit all.

 

[MashBag]

And they are best with a hoofing great tank and some renewables

 

[jof]

And they are best with a hoofing great tank and some renewables

Exactly.
The post COVID electric price rise literally halved the solar panel payback time from a questionable 13-15 years to about 7 years so getting them fitted became a no brainer.

 

[AlBrew]

why is the take up on heat pumps currently only 1% and what will change that?

Probably partly because of people sharing fake news Telegraph news items

 

[Agentgonzo]

Exactly.
The post COVID electric price rise literally halved the solar panel payback time from a questionable 13-15 years to about 7 years so getting them fitted became a no brainer.

We looked at getting them about 8 years ago. Really kicking ourselves that we didn't. Finally installed them last year. In the last week the electricity we've exported has paid for the gas we've used to heat the house. We don't want to change the heating system, so I heat pump isn't viable to replace our gas system, but if we were to do a new build it's a no brainer to use a heat pump and solar/wind +batteries. Far cheaper in the long run to heat the home.

I'd also put solar hot water on the roof as well.

 

[Stu]

We looked at getting them about 8 years ago. Really kicking ourselves that we didn't. Finally installed them last year. In the last week the electricity we've exported has paid for the gas we've used to heat the house. We don't want to change the heating system, so I heat pump isn't viable to replace our gas system, but if we were to do a new build it's a no brainer to use a heat pump and solar/wind +batteries. Far cheaper in the long run to heat the home.

I'd also put solar hot water on the roof as well.

As above, I have solar hot water. It's awesome. I joke not, we don't pay gas bills generally past about April.

 

[Rodcx500z]

Gas and electric so far this week why would I need a heat pump

 

[jof]

Not everyone has gas, hence why solar panels & batteries pay off much sooner if you are all electric.
Similar if you go from storage heaters to air conditioning heat pump (as I've said before, if you don't have a wet heating system why pay the extra to install a more complex system)

 

[Rodcx500z]

Not everyone has gas, hence why solar panels & batteries pay off much sooner if you are all electric.
Similar if you go from storage heaters to air conditioning heat pump (as I've said before, if you don't have a wet heating system why pay the extra to install a more complex system)

I appreciate what you are saying but a lot of people don't get that much sun on their roofs nor have the money for a heat pump and batterys and inverter, and why would any company build wind turbines when there is no were to store this energy it just seems bonkers

 

[MashBag]

I appreciate what you are saying but a lot of people don't get that much sun on their roofs nor have the money for a heat pump and batterys and inverter, and why would any company build wind turbines when there is no were to store this energy it just seems bonkers

There is always another way.

 

[Agentgonzo]

Gas and electric so far this week why would I need a heat pump View attachment 109531

Only half way througy the week. Holy crap you burn a lot of energy!

 

[jof]

I'm going to share last year's electric bill with almost real numbers.
I say almost real as the graphs don't include the additional £223 rip off standing charge.

Cost

Income

And this is the size of our small 3 bed semi. It faces SW and as you can see my 3*4m brew marquee pretty much fills the back garden

Hint: ours has the solar panels, as if you needed telling.

 

[Agentgonzo]

I'm going to share last year's electric bill with almost real numbers.
I say almost real as the graphs don't include the additional £223 rip off standing charge.

Cost
View attachment 109534

Income
View attachment 109535

And this is the size of our small 3 bed semi. It faces SW and as you can see my 3*4m brew marquee pretty much fills the back garden
View attachment 109536
Hint: ours has the solar panels, as if you needed telling.

You've got a heat pump (sorry if you've said before, but it's a long thread)?

 

[Sozzled Sab]

Not sure if noise has been mentioned but our nearest neighbours who are around 100m away have just had one installed. Their neighbours are not happy because of the noise.and it is causing a bit of friction. We live in a tiny very quiet village away from any major roads so I guess they have a point. When we had a survey done they said it would have to be installed immediately below our bedroom window so as to connect to the existing pipework. They assured us that modern ones are virtually silent and after all people live near airports and railway lines etc. Our house is detached so it wouldn't bother anyone else but I wonder if they would tell you anything just to get your money.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

why is the take up on heat pumps currently only 1% and what will change that?

AIbrew - Probably partly because of people sharing fake news Telegraph news items

I answered a similar post to yours 3 pages ago -

Chippy tea - if you are about to dump thousands of pounds into a heat pump and solar you are not going to take advice on it from any newspaper or guy down the pub fortunately we have the internet and if you use a little common sense you will find sites that will give you all the information you need not hearsay.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Not sure if noise has been mentioned but our nearest neighbours who are around 100m away have just had one installed. Their neighbours are not happy because of the noise.and it is causing a bit of friction.

They assured us that modern ones are virtually silent and after all people live near airports and railway lines etc.

This has been mentioned before.

Bad install causes noise -

BAD -



GOOD -

 

[Sozzled Sab]

This has been mentioned before.

Bad install causes noise -

BAD -



GOOD -

Sorry I didn't go through all this long thread but very interesting clips.
We have already decided its not for us as we have a 200 year old stone built cottage with natural slate floors so will stick with oil for now.