No covid ***

[HSD]

I understand it that vaccination will lighten the viral load, you can still catch it or variants to come, but won’t get as sick and if you do transmit it you are shedding a reduced amount of the virus. Reducing the spread, and slowing it’s inevitable mutation is really important for everyone, allows the virologists to try and keep one step ahead. A relative of mines in-laws are refusing to have it because it’s made from foetuses, changes your DNA and makes you traceable on 5G networks! Bonkers. He’s had to give up trying to convince them otherwise, similar misinformed nonsense posted above about 1500 deaths due to COVID vaccine would probably be believed by them also.

https://fullfact.org/online/1102-vaccine-adr-death/

 

[mitch]

cut n paste is fantastic. how does that 'ttump' the families of the 1500 that suffered 18 months of govt propagsnda and ultimately death...
next you will be ststing 128k have fied of it...
another myth. check the nhs
i have nothjng more to add other than the absolute that its the choice of the individual.

"protected from an illness"
hilarious.

all govt data is based on projection and assumption. every phe report has stated it. nice try.

 

[HSD]

cut n paste is fantastic. how does that 'ttump' the families of the 1500 that suffered 18 months of govt propagsnda and ultimately death...
next you will be ststing 128k have fied of it...
another myth. check the nhs
i have nothjng more to add other than the absolute that its the choice of the individual.

"protected from an illness"
hilarious.

all govt data is based on projection and assumption. every phe report has stated it. nice try.

Utter drivel

 

[DavidDetroit]

Utter drivel

It's a specific type that responds with opinion and parts of the truth (or less) or, worst of all, PODCASTS AS A SOURCE.
The poster was asked to provide specific, findable sources and was unable or unwilling to comply.
There's FOX News in the US and that person is straight from their target group.

 

[chopps]

Nazi? Come on you can do better than that. Once the baseless insults start you’ve lost.

The Equality Act 2010 is here
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/contents
I don’t believe that ‘ignoring the basic science’ is a protected characteristic.

I’d wager that most of the public with money to spend would rather visit a business with a higher level of attention to the health of their customers than the one next door that doesn’t.

 

[DavidDetroit]

It's FOX News/Breitbart/Newsmax all over again.

 

[HSD]

Sorry, each to there own, even the loons, but denying 128,000 deaths from this awful disease and making up 1500 COVID *** deaths is a bit too much for me. He can’t support his statement of opinion because that’s all it is, baseless nonsense, then calls someone a Nazi (? how, why) and if that’s not enough some appalling typos also. What a Duckwit.

 

[Northern_Brewer]

I’ve just seen reports that Anti Vaxers protesting against the BBC coverage of the pandemic have clashed with Police today whilst trying to storm the BBC building In White City. Well, I say the BBC building, it was until 2013 when they moved out and sold It. so, unless they are trying to bring down Noels House Party I’m not sure what good it will do!

This is the same mob that say you should "always do your own research"....

 

[Chippy_Tea]

cut n paste is fantastic. how does that 'ttump' the families of the 1500 that suffered 18 months of govt propagsnda and ultimately death..

Did I say I was trumping the family no I am trumping the drivel you posted with facts!

 

[Chippy_Tea]

@mitch calling members nazis because they disagree with your views was never going to end well I am glad you said in your post above you have nothing more to add I have made sure that is the case, we don't do that here.

 

[johncrobinson]

Part of the problem is short human lifespans/memories Are folk forgetting the horrendous diseases that rampaged through the country in Victorian times and before.
Most have now been either totally eliminated or massively reduced by VACCINATION.

Other diseases (caused by bacteria,) were also dealt a severe blow by the discovery of antibiotics.

These science deniers are idiots pure and simple idiots.

Some may even be nefarious in their intent.

 

[Keith 66]

Smallpox eradicated through vaccination, Polio all but eradicated through vaccination. TB was almost unknown in this country because of vaccination for many years.
We should be looking at this as a society not as a bunch of selfish individuals, the more people get vaccinated the less chance of a variant arising that may have a high fatality rate, if it does we are all in the ****.
The needs of the many should outweigh the misguided social media driven needs of a few.

 

[DavidDetroit]

The needs of the many should outweigh the misguided social media driven needs of a few.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Smallpox eradicated through vaccination, Polio all but eradicated through vaccination. TB was almost unknown in this country because of vaccination for many years.
We should be looking at this as a society not as a bunch of selfish individuals, the more people get vaccinated the less chance of a variant arising that may have a high fatality rate, if it does we are all in the ****.
The needs of the many should outweigh the misguided social media driven needs of a few.

Spot on Keith.

 

[531Man]

Spot on Keith.

Ha ha ha!
@Chippy_Tea
Infectious diseases / Spot on.
Intentional pun or not, very amusing.
Good to lighten the thread tone occasionally.

 

[moto748]

Smallpox eradicated through vaccination, Polio all but eradicated through vaccination. TB was almost unknown in this country because of vaccination for many years.
We should be looking at this as a society not as a bunch of selfish individuals, the more people get vaccinated the less chance of a variant arising that may have a high fatality rate, if it does we are all in the ****.
The needs of the many should outweigh the misguided social media driven needs of a few.

I saw a cartoon, the other day: a small girl is talking to her mother:

"What's that scar on your arm, Mummy?"
"That's my smallpox vaccination scar."
"Why haven't I got one, Mummy?"
"Because it worked."

 

[Northern_Brewer]

This was a good Twitter thread on the easy answers promised by the cranks :

I looked through the overwhelmingly hostile comments on a YouTube video by a doctor debunking some covid misinformation tonight. I noticed an interesting parallel to some “election theft” disinfo.

Here’s what I note in both cases: The cranks typically have the superficial trappings of real science. Links to journal articles on the one hand, or on the other, impressively hackery looking hex dumps & spreadsheets full of IP addresses. “See, I’m giving you the evidence…”

Now in both cases, this evidence is absolutely useless to the target audience. They have neither the training nor the context to evaluate the quality or relevance of technical articles in medical journals—or even to understand what the article is claiming in many cases.

Ditto on the “election fraud” side: The target audience has no idea what a real packet capture looks like, or whether it makes any sense that someone would have the kind of information claimed in that spreadsheet full of numbers. They are, however, being flattered by the INVITATION to assess the evidence for themselves—do your own research, make up your own mind!

So what do the responses from acutal experts look like? Well, generally pretty dismissive—understandably so—because they can tell the evidence is nonsense, and typically aren’t super interested spending hours going into granular detail about why or throwing around citations to technical material they know full well a lay audience isn’t remotely equipped to understand. (The people who ARE equipped to understand the technical material don’t need a pop debunking.)

So they’ll do a quickie explainer of why some particular claim is wrong in lay terms, but they’re typically not going to bother with a bunch of citations that might be relevant to a peer specialist. To a lot of the audience, this comes across as “arrogant.”

The crank is flattering me with a display of technical jargon and a mountain of citations to “evidence.” I’m not equipped to evaluate that “evidence,” but I can nod along and say “oh yes, I see,” and feel like I’ve been treated as a peer.

The actual experts understands that this would be a performative and pointless. So past a fairly superficial point they go with some version of “99% of us who spent years studying this are on the same page, and you sort of have to trust us.” Which can feel patronizing.

What the crank is doing is ultimately a lot more condescending—the equivalent of giving a child a fake cell phone so they can “make calls” just like mom & dad. They’re pretending not to ultimately rely on trust, and so they get trust.

The actual expert is honest about this part of it: I can’t take you through med school or a CS degree in a YouTube video. I could give you some papers, but even if you’re extremely smart, you wouldn’t understand them without that training. And to the insecure, that feels bad.

It’s the byproduct of a culture that valorizes (at least nominally) the ideal of being an independent thinker who questions the received wisdom rather than just accepting things on authority. Which is healthy in lots of ways! And yet the vast majority of human knowledge is beyond anyone’s capability to personally verify. Past a fairly superficial point, we have to take most things “on authority” in some sense. And the folks who trust the crank are too, of course!

What the crank is giving people is the *illusion* of not trusting an authority—unlike all those sheep who trust the *mainstream* authorities. A bit like the media elites who win large followings by telling you not to trust media elites.

The expert who’s treating you like an adult is the one who, at some point, is willing to say “I’m sorry, you don’t have the math” rather than pretending common sense conquers every domain of knowledge.

 

[DavidDetroit]

Well-articulated Twitter posts.

 

[Northern_Brewer]

"Mr Gonclaves told Sky News that all three members of his family had chosen not to have the vaccine and had been misled by conspiracies online.

He said: "They were afraid. They had a lot of information passed through the internet, you can call it misinformation, disinformation is probably more appropriate - misleading people to the point of propaganda."

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19...s-after-being-misled-by-online-posts-12378475

 

[moto748]

Special place in hell for the people behind these misinformation campaigns.


And their fellow-travellers: the Laurence Foxes of this world.