Automation in general is going massively reduce the workforce in the future already starting look at supermarket tills, call centres etc they are semi automated already
Electric cars.
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I hate the things luckily Booths listened to customers and got rid of them -
Have you ever used an auto call centre, the bots can only ask basic questions so you always end up being put through to a person.
Supermarket chain Booths is axing almost all self-service tills in its stores in what it says is a response to customer demand.
All but two of the 28 stores run by the company, which trades in northern England, will have staffed checkouts.
The exceptions are Keswick and Windermere, two of its Cumbria shops.
The firm, which has 16 stores in Lancashire as well as outlets in Yorkshire and Cheshire, said the policy was driven by customer feedback.
Booths is believed to be the first UK supermarket to move away from using self-service tills, which have become increasingly common in recent years.
"We believe colleagues serving customers delivers a better customer experience and therefore we have taken the decision to remove self-checkouts in the majority of our stores," the company said.
Speaking to BBC Radio Lancashire, Booths managing director Nigel Murray, said: "Our customers have told us this over time, that the self-scan machines that we've got in our stores they can be slow, they can be unreliable, they're obviously impersonal.
"We stock quite a lot of loose items - fruit and veg and bakery - and as soon as you go to a self-scan with those you've got to get a visual verification on them, and some customers don't know one different apple versus another for example," he added.
"There's all sorts of fussing about with that and then the minute you put any alcohol in your basket somebody's got to come and check that you're of the right age."
Full article - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-67373472
Good to see a business listen to customers
I wonder if that's why some countrys are trialing the basic wage, https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/jun/04/universal-basic-income-of-1600-pounds-a-month-to-be-trialled-in-england#:~:text=A universal basic income of,the effects on their lives. this is a year old but you get picture, They did this in Finland as well,
Just to put things in perspective
What you see is a cruise ship engine.
Each ship has 6 diesel engines with a power of 75,600 kW (approximately 100,000 hp)
1.8 million cc x 6 cylinders (equiv. with 5.400 Volkswagen Golf TDI )
Consumption: 13.8 tonnes/hour or 390,000 litres per day.
120,000 tons per year, which is equivalent to the complete oil production of the Falconara (AN) refinery.
Then they tell you that to solve the problem of climate change you need to buy an electric car
What you see is a cruise ship engine.
Each ship has 6 diesel engines with a power of 75,600 kW (approximately 100,000 hp)
1.8 million cc x 6 cylinders (equiv. with 5.400 Volkswagen Golf TDI )
Consumption: 13.8 tonnes/hour or 390,000 litres per day.
120,000 tons per year, which is equivalent to the complete oil production of the Falconara (AN) refinery.
Then they tell you that to solve the problem of climate change you need to buy an electric car
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........ Or stop the cows farting.
Nice.
Nice.
And they are still sailing still flying, and no dead lines.
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But we need to feed new chemicals to all our cows. Hmmm..
Oh well that's alright then, let's not bother doing anything for the planetThat's 85,788 gallons a day
Then we have planes -
Solar panels? What's the point when India and the subcontinent are burning coal.
Wind turbines? Why bother when Africa are still using 50 year old 2 stroke tuktuk by their millions
EVs? Narrr, not until all the posh people stop flying on their holidays or taking cruises
What about biomass? Fat chance until Trump stops shouting 'drill baby, drill'
Hydro and sea/tidal? Don't be daft. When everyone stops being consumerist and buying billions of tonnes of crap from china that's transported by massive polluting container ships.
Orrrrrr
You start somewhere. Anywhere. As long as you start
No one is saying do nothing but why is it always the car driver that gets hit, no VED on electric cars then suddenly they introduce it and why has the date got to be 2030 why not 2040 or beyond, cars and vans produce 48% (probably a lot less now due to AdBlue) wagons produce 25% i don't see the government telling all HGV manufacturers they have to be BEV by 2030 then there is the other 37% burning fossil fuel no date announced for them its a case of hit the car drivers they wont do anything about it other than moan
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I believe the UK (not European union) only produces 1% of the world pollution our cars are not the problem they are a small part of the bigger problem we get this ridiculous cut off point that is going to is going to ruin business and put millions out of work it doesn't need to be so soon.
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Agree you have to start somewere, how about at the top, or all the Country's who are the biggest culprits, all our Government is doing is punishing it's own people and for what so they look good on the world stage, what they are doing will not make jack Sh-t difference 1% at most
I don't believe the 25% figure for HGV's most are on the road 24 hours a day and do about 8mpg burning diesel those using AdBlue are in a huge minority so the majority are old and have hundreds of thousands of miles on the clock.
Most cars are driven to work sit outside for 8 hours then are driven home so for the majority 2 hours use a day with more modern clean engines cars are not the problem.
Why do they lump vas in with cars cars are not commercial vehicles the reason why is to make cars look like the biggest polluter which as i said above they are not unfortunately some people will blindly accept anything given as fact without challenging it and that why they hit the car drivers not commercial vehicles owners
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My car moved yesterday to take grand daughter home 15 mile round trip, last time i used it was a month ago, it will be used new years eve to take my daughter to her friends 3 mile round trip, the car is 5 years old in may 2025 and has just under 15000 miles on it so i don't feel one bit guilty
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Even current technology is good enough for people with ordinary bladders and rate-of-tiredness, and there are already cars on sale that can do 300 miles in 10 minutes. People get all theoretical about it but the technology is good enough in the real world.
Probably better off at the garage just by the Sandbach junction just up the road...An hour or so up the road Mrs Jocky wanted a McDonald’s so we stopped at Sandbach services off the M6.
I had no need to charge, but thought I’d take a look anyway... A busy services, only three chargers, and all out of order.
To be fair the photo showed BP chargers - but BP also charge through the nose for petrol on motorways, they're always 160+p if not 170+p/litre.
Already happened under the Public Charge Point Regulations 2023 which came in on 24 November 2023 and which since 24 November 2024 have required all new public charge points > 8kW and existing charge points >50kW to support ordinary contactless debit cards, and prominent displays of pricing.
There's only ~32 million cars in the UK. I did the sums back in 2020 assuming 330Wh per mile for cars (ie~3 miles per kWh) and came up with a ballpark figure just under 18GW continuous to replace all road transport (trucks, buses, cars, everything) - or 54GW for 8 hours each night. Yes that's a lot, but it's doable - network capacity is around 70GW, and eg there's plans to add 60GW of wind power alone. And now 4 miles per kWh is becoming common (which would reduce the continuous requirement to 13.5GW), and Lucid have a car doing 5 miles/kWh (ie need <11GW continuous, 33GW overnight) and are talking about 6 miles/kWh for their next car.
Given Ireland's dependence (at present) on the GB interconnector I wouldn't get too cocky...
The AA have seen callouts due to being out of juice go down from 8.24% of EV callouts in 2015 to 1.85% in 2024, and expect it to drop further to match the 1% of petrol cars. And their patrols have batteries to get you to the next charging station.
No - it's the other way round. Where we're heading is for batteries being the short-term solution, but only capable of covering up to maybe 3-4 days, there may be a place for eg compressed air storage for 3-6 days, and the current working assumption of eg the Climate Change Committee is that hydrogen will only be called on for the rare, once-a-year-ish times when there's no wind power for 7-14 days. Hydrogen is expensive and the infrastructure is nowhere near ready, hydrogen blends are pretty much a waste of time as you can only add small amounts which doesn't really work given its low energy content.
The national security argument runs the other way - wouldn't it be better to power cars and heating by electricity generated in the UK, rather than relying on imports for 50% of our oil and gas, some of which comes eg past Iran and the Houthis? If we didn't have that dependency that would be one less reason to care about / get involved in wars in the Middle East.
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The US is way behind the rest of the world though. Norway is at 90% of new cars being electric. The world's biggest car market is China, which was 51.8% electric in September. The UK was 25.1% in November, EU 17.3% in September, but the US was only 8.9% in Q3.
The US is indeed miles apart on this - miles behind. Don't get fooled by the hype.
It comes down to the paralysis of the last government who basically gave up on governing for several years - this is the sort of boring stuff that just hasn't been happening.
If we were still in the EU, then the EU Solar Standard would require all new public/commercial buildings to have PV panels by 2026 and residential by 2030. As it is, the next update to building regs, the Future Homes Standard, has been stuck in limbo, but will probably come in next year and will probably have some kind of requirement for PV - at the moment it's not explicit but there's a box to tick which means that it's worth most builders' while to have some kind of panels on a house.
There are incentives, namely the Workplace Charging Scheme, which gives £350 per socket.
Network Rail is committed to net zero by 2045 in Scotland and 2050 in the rest of its network, so there's quite a lot happening but mostly behind the scenes, including a plan to electrify all city-to-city routes. Looks like you'll see the busy "middle" of all routes electrified, then hybrid trains that can switch to battery power for the less busy "ends" of the routes.
One person's job is another person's cost, someone has to pay their wages (or save money by not paying them).
AdBlue is about controlling nitrogen oxides which form smog, it's not about carbon dioxide/climate change. See my calculation above - there's over 60 cars for every truck in the UK, and the cars do 272 billion miles versus 17 billion by truck. So even allowing for mpg, the cars are a bigger target.
And there are mandates for vans (current 10% electric, rising to 70% by 2030), and HGVs - Boris Johnson planned to abolish diesel trucks by 2040.
Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean they're not talking about this stuff.
But they are.
Quite....
I have yet to see any prices displayed at public chargers.
If my figures below are correct - No they are not!
There are 5 million vans on our roads 40 million cars (12.5% are vans) this reduces the car/van figure to 35.5% and increases the medium freight/heavy freight vehicles (commercial vehicles) to 37.5% so i was correct when i said cars are not the biggest polluter.
As i said earlier they reason they lumped cars and vans together is to make cars look like the biggest polluter and not commercial vehicle because they know what backlash they would have got if they told truck manufacturers they needed to stop selling diesel trucks by 2030.
There are also 1.1 million BEV on our roads this is an old chart so doesn't take that into account.
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look at the wording and the dates - new chargers after 24th november.... how many chargers have opened in the past month?
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