It's a hung parliament.

[Robin54]

I've never been convinced of this argument that if you have a Labour Governent or the UK has high (corporation) taxes all the businesses will bugger off from the UK. I think hungry currenty has the lowest corporate tax in the EU at 9% but I dont see all the companies from the UK moving there

Have you actually tried to learn Hungarian?? I have..its regarded as the 3rd most difficult language in the world, strangely related to Finnish
I must try harder...

 

[Clint]

Mess....obviously no mirrors in her house! What will be will be....it's already decided as has been for the last few hundred years...

 

[Clint]

...as for languages...Welsh is one of the purest...I should learn seeing I is a Welsh man...

 

[MyQul]

Have you actually tried to learn Hungarian?? I have..its regarded as the 3rd most difficult language in the world, strangely related to Finnish
I must try harder...

Who cares about the language. What's the beer like over there?!

 

[Chippy_Tea]

I read in the commuter papers this arvo, that the europhile tories and labour (with my guess, perhaps lib dems and SNP) are going to join together to defeat TM and the eurosceptic wing of the Tory party to make sure we have a soft brexit, and stay in the single market and customs union. Thoughts?

I sat on the fence and didn't vote but having listened to all the lies told by both sides i said at the time i would vote out in a second referendum, now the dust has settled and we have heard from those that are in the know i think i am back on the fence again.




The Independent -

In her opening speech to the Conservative conference, the Prime Minister unveiled a tougher stance on EU withdrawal than she has previously taken, by seemingly backing a hard Brexit with controls on immigration at its core.

"Let me be clear," said Ms May. "We are not leaving the European Union only to give up control of immigration again. And we are not leaving only to return to the jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice," adding those wanting to do everything possible to preserve access to the single market were looking at Brexit the "wrong way".

So, what is Hard Brexit?

Favoured by ardent Brexiteers, a hard Brexit arrangement would likely see the UK give up full access to the single market and full access of the customs union along with the EU.

The arrangement would prioritise giving Britain full control over its borders, making new trade deals and applying laws within its own territory.

Initially, this would mean the UK would likely fall back on World Trade Organisation (WTO) rules for trade with its former EU partners.

What are the pros and cons?

The International Trade Secretary, Liam Fox, has said a hard approach would benefit the UK by making it a global trading nation. He said that "the UK is a full and founding member of the WTO", during a speech in Geneva last Tuesday,

German business leaders have expressed a similar view. Markus Kerber of the German BDI group told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "It's better to have a hard Brexit that works than to have a fudge in the middle that has to be renegotiated or doesn't politically work and you have uncertainty lingering on."

A hard Brexit, however, could see British goods and services subject to tariffs, adding 10 per cent, for example, to the cost of exported cars. While sectors such as agriculture could lose protections against cheap imports from abroad.

Leaving the customs union would mean a significant increase in bureaucratic checks on goods passing through ports and airports. And nations such as the US and Australia have said that reaching a new trade agreements with the EU would take priority.

And what is soft Brexit?

This approach would leave the UK's relationship with the EU as close as possible to the existing arrangements, and is preferred by many Remainers.

The UK would no longer be a member of the EU and would not have a seat on the European Council. It would lose its MEPs and its European Commissioner. But, it would keep unfettered access to the European single market.

Goods and services would be traded with the remaining EU states on a tariff-free basis and financial firms would keep their "passporting" rights to sell services and operate branches in the EU. Britain would remain within the EU's customs union, meaning that exports would not be subject to border checks.

National models for this sort of deal include Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein, which are not members of the EU but have access to the single market by being part of the European Economic Area.

In return, these countries must make payments into EU budgets and accept the "four freedoms" of movement of goods, services, capital and people. They are subject to EU law through the Luxembourg-based EFTA Court. Switzerland has a similar arrangement through a series of regularly updated treaties.

It is likely that a "soft Brexit" deal would insist on Britain observing the "four freedoms", meaning continued free access for European nationals to work and settle in the UK.

What are the pros and cons?

Pro-EU MPs argue that maintaining “proper connections” with the EU’s trading arrangements is a matter of national interest.

Senior Conservative MP Neil Carmichael has said a "harsh Brexit" must be avoided at all costs suggesting it could "damage our economy, damage our capacity as a nation to perform capably in the future and actually damage Europe.”

Kathleen Brooks, director of research at City Index, said a ‘hard Brexit’, is likely to come “at the cost” of a period of economic disruption, which is “likely to be negative for the pound".

Experts warn that London’s position as a financial hub will be dealt a severe blow if the UK left the single market. However, that access is contingent on countries agreeing to let European Union citizens live and work anywhere in the bloc.

Theresa May claimed people who talk about a “trade-off” between controlling immigration and trading with Europe are looking at things the “wrong way”, arguing that soft Brexit is "subverting" democracy and attempting to "kill" the process by "delaying it".

 

[trueblue]

A hard brexit would mean solid boarders in Ireland. Mrs Mayhem's new bed fellows in the DUP don't want that and if she possessed a pair of balls they would have a firm grip on them by now.

 

[HebridesRob]

Scotland will be able, at last, to export scotch to the biggest whisky (currently only "whiskey") market in the world. At the moment India have punitive duties to stop the import of spirits from Europe. They are desperate, however, to make a trade deal with the UK so they can get the only spirit worth drinking. Wee Jimmy Crankie, meanwhile, wants to stay in the single market even if the rest of the UK leaves. This will surely prevent the massive growth in the whisky industry because if your in the single market you have to accept it's trade deals, not your own.

India have made it clear they won't agree to a free trade deal with the UK unless we allow freedom of movement.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-india-britain-idUKKBN17618X

Europe already trades with India, you have it the wrong way around EU - India trade deal will be easier without The UK, because India imposing large import duties on whisky will no longer be a barrier.
http://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/countries-and-regions/countries/india/index_en.htm
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...uld-help-eu-strike-free-trade-deal-india-meps

As ever, depends which newspaper you read.

Edit:
By the way, ^there is some evidence that the closed and secretive nature of the EU is a myth. There is no chance at all that the UK government would be that open about the nature of trade discussions with other states.

 

[shepp]

Have you actually tried to learn Hungarian?? I have..its regarded as the 3rd most difficult language in the world, strangely related to Finnish
I must try harder...

I visited Hungary and the language sounds like it's from another planet.

 

[shepp]

Who cares about the language. What's the beer like over there?!

Not a patch on most of it's neighbours, but it produces good wine and beautiful women.

 

[shepp]

A hard brexit would mean solid boarders in Ireland. Mrs Mayhem's new bed fellows in the DUP don't want that and if she possessed a pair of balls they would have a firm grip on them by now.

She is a far more seasoned negotiator than May, that's for sure.

 

[trueblue]

Alcohol is banned in a lot of states in India. Boris Johnson pissed off the Sikh's he met at a temple during the election when suggested India will get a good deal on whisky

 

[Sadfield]

Alcohol is banned in a lot of states in India. Boris Johnson pissed off the Sikh's he met at a temple during the election when suggested India will get a good deal on whisky

Whisky is massive in India.

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-biggest-whiskey-market-in-the-world-2015-6?r=UK&IR=T

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[Clint]

Boris is a top hat...

 

[Linalmeemow]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-deal-violence-northern-ireland-a7787681.html

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Thanks for the link Linalmeemow-

John Major urges Theresa May to pull out of DUP deal over risk of violence returning to Northern Ireland

I asked earlier in the thread if her decision not to talk to both sides could put the peace process in jeopardy and it would appear JM thinks it could, as JM says "it is fragile and we need to take care of it" i have a worrying feeling Mrs May will not listen to him or anyone else

 

[MyQul]

Thanks for the link Linalmeemow-



I asked earlier in the thread if her decision not to talk to both sides could put the peace process in jeopardy and it would appear JM thinks it could, as JM says "it is fragile and we need to take care of it" i have a worrying feeling Mrs May will not listen to him or anyone else

Seems she wants to try to hold onto power at any cost

 

[Lawrence22]

Thanks for the link Linalmeemow-



I asked earlier in the thread if her decision not to talk to both sides could put the peace process in jeopardy and it would appear JM thinks it could, as JM says "it is fragile and we need to take care of it" i have a worrying feeling Mrs May will not listen to him or anyone else

I said earlier in the thread I don't think it will truly effect the peace process and I stand by that. It could totally mess up the devolved institutions here in NI.
From Sinn Feins point of view, Pre ceasefires they had even managed to loose West Belfast in the 1992 election. Since the ceasefires they have slowly grown to the point where they are now the biggest Nationalist Party here. They now have 7 MP's. In the Republic they are the third largest party. They are not going to risk this position.

Lawrence

 

[Godsdog]

Thanks for the link Linalmeemow-



I asked earlier in the thread if her decision not to talk to both sides could put the peace process in jeopardy and it would appear JM thinks it could, as JM says "it is fragile and we need to take care of it" i have a worrying feeling Mrs May will not listen to him or anyone else

I think as long as any deal stays within the bounds of economic gain for all of NI it'll be fine with both sides as NI as a whole will stand to gain.catholics and protestants

 

[Clint]

Oi! Less of the religion...chippy tea will have your guts for garters. ....

 

[shepp]

Am I right in thinking that Sinn Fein have politicians in the Republic of Ireland too?
Don't hear anybody making an issue of that?