It's a hung parliament.

[Gunge]

Just out of interest. Post Brexit...
What will the UK export. Who will we export to?

Same as now, I expect. Hopefully we'll stop importing migrants.

 

[HebridesRob]

http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2017/06/10/britain-the-end-of-a-fantasy/

The actual result of the referendum last year was narrow and ambiguous. Fifty-two percent of voters backed Brexit but we know that many of them did so because they were reassured by Boris Johnson’s promise that, when it came to Europe, Britain could “have its cake and eat it.” It could both leave the EU and continue to enjoy all the benefits of membership. Britons could still trade freely with the EU and would be free to live, work, and study in any EU country just as before. This is, of course, a childish fantasy, and it is unlikely that Johnson himself really believed a word of it. It was just part of the game, a smart line that might win a debate at the Oxford Union.

 

[ElvisIsBeer]

Hypothetical question...........if May had won a big majority.........would Brexit be easier, more likely to have a successful outcome?

I doubt it.

 

[ElvisIsBeer]

How could you not be convinced by Boris?

Look at his achievements in politics? Observe the steadfast and clear vision he's communicated throughout his career.

http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2017/06/10/britain-the-end-of-a-fantasy/

Yes....steadfast and clear ambition vision

 

[HebridesRob]

Same as now, I expect. Hopefully we'll stop importing migrants.

What do we export now, who do we export it to, how will this continue after Brexit?

 

[Gunge]

Hypothetical question...........if May had won a big majority.........would Brexit be easier, more likely to have a successful outcome?

I doubt it.

Dunno. Past caring really. Seems like an eternity since the referendum and nowt's happened. Just these suits on telly spouting crap day in, day out. Just get on with it... or not. Anyway my team lost in the GE, I'm gonna gnash and wail until I get a re-run until we win! Harumph!

 

[ElvisIsBeer]

Nowt's happened because the negotiations haven't started. Next week they do.

 

[Gunge]

Nowt's happened because the negotiations haven't started. Next week they do.

Ye I know, just having a moan at the glacial pace. Owt to have started June 24 last and been done and dusted by now. Procrastination has already nicked a year.

 

[HebridesRob]

Nowt's happened because the negotiations haven't started. Next week they do.

If there's anyone with any credibility left to start them.

I'm not even sure anyone has an idea what the negotiating aims will be when they start. Triggering article 50 followed by announcing a snap election may be the stupidest decisions any Prime Minister has ever made.

 

[ElvisIsBeer]

If there's anyone with any credibility left to start them.

I'm not even sure anyone has an idea what the negotiating aims will be when they start. Triggering article 50 followed by announcing a snap election may be the stupidest decisions any Prime Minister has ever made.

Like x 20

Crazy

 

[Clint]

...I dunno,declaring war on Iraq was a dumb thing to do as well.

 

[MyQul]

It's certainly true that international investors will not appreciate the uncertainties of a loose coalition. Just imagine what would have happened if labour, under Corbyn, had won. 2 generations would have passed before the debt was paid off. Business knows this and would have taken it's money somewhere sensible. Labour's policies remind me those unfortunates who are taken in by pay day loans. If you don't have it to spend you can borrow it. If you can't then pay it back it will be 1974 all over again. We'll be begging the IMF to save us and have to accept their conditions, no matter how loathsome they are. The world can't afford to allow our massive economy to fail but they can allow us to cripple ourselves until I, for one, have shuffled off this mortal coil.

I've never been convinced of this argument that if you have a Labour Governent or the UK has high (corporation) taxes all the businesses will bugger off from the UK. I think hungry currenty has the lowest corporate tax in the EU at 9% but I dont see all the companies from the UK moving there

 

[ElvisIsBeer]

I've never been convinced of this argument that if you have a Labour Governent or the UK has high (corporation) taxes all the businesses will bugger off from the UK. I think hungry currenty has the lowest corporate tax in the EU at 9% but I dont see all the companies from the UK moving there

Agreed. London is popular with staff. Recruitment and operations work well.

 

[trueblue]

It's certainly true that international investors will not appreciate the uncertainties of a loose coalition. Just imagine what would have happened if labour, under Corbyn, had won. 2 generations would have passed before the debt was paid off. Business knows this and would have taken it's money somewhere sensible. Labour's policies remind me those unfortunates who are taken in by pay day loans. If you don't have it to spend you can borrow it. If you can't then pay it back it will be 1974 all over again. We'll be begging the IMF to save us and have to accept their conditions, no matter how loathsome they are. The world can't afford to allow our massive economy to fail but they can allow us to cripple ourselves until I, for one, have shuffled off this mortal coil.

Very ironic the reference to payday loans as one the major contributors to the tory party election fund was the payday loan company Wonga.

 

[MyQul]

Agreed. London is popular with staff. Recruitment and operations work well.

I've said this elsewhere, companies are also attracted to a particular location because of what you might call 'soft' attractions, not just the bottom line. Good schools for employee's kids, a decent health care system for employees, a good night life for the young guns of the company, a safe and stable country to be based in, etc, etc

 

[trueblue]

 

[HebridesRob]

I've never been convinced of this argument that if you have a Labour Governent or the UK has high (corporation) taxes all the businesses will bugger off from the UK. I think hungry currenty has the lowest corporate tax in the EU at 9% but I dont see all the companies from the UK moving there

There's a big issue down the line that needs careful preparation NOW. Instead, we're wasting time with worrying about Brexit. Robotics are going to change the face of employment pretty soon. There won't be a need for people to be involved in things like manufacturing, distribution, agriculture; there may not even be shops as we know them. We very much need to think about this. In that scenario government isn't going to get the money it needs from taxation of individuals and people will still need some kind of income. Taxation of corporations and a standard income for people may be the only way forward. A lot of the tech company millionaires are talking about this.
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/18/elon...sal-basic-income-heres-how-it-would-work.html
Being the only smallish country in the world that is not part of a larger trading group might be disastrous in that scenario, no?

 

[Duxuk]

Just out of interest. Post Brexit...
What will the UK export? Who will we export to?

Scotland will be able, at last, to export scotch to the biggest whisky (currently only "whiskey") market in the world. At the moment India have punitive duties to stop the import of spirits from Europe. They are desperate, however, to make a trade deal with the UK so they can get the only spirit worth drinking. Wee Jimmy Crankie, meanwhile, wants to stay in the single market even if the rest of the UK leaves. This will surely prevent the massive growth in the whisky industry because if your in the single market you have to accept it's trade deals, not your own.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

May tells MPs: I got us into this mess and I will get us out

Theresa May has apologised to Tory MPs for the party's election performance, telling them "I got us into this mess I'll get us out of it."

Addressing a meeting of backbenchers, the PM reportedly said she would serve as "long as you want me to do".

One senior backbencher told the BBC that she had appeared "contrite and genuine but not on her knees".

It comes amid confusion over whether the Queen's Speech will be delayed as talks continue to form a government.

A senior minister has said he was "optimistic" that the Conservatives and Democratic Unionists will reach an agreement in the coming days, that will allow a proposed Tory minority government to get its plans for the year ahead through the Commons, possibly as early on next Monday.

But Damian Green said he could not confirm the the Queen's Speech will proceed as planned on 19 June. Labour said the government was "in chaos".

More - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40251999

 

[MyQul]

I read in the commuter papers this arvo, that the europhile tories and labour (with my guess, perhaps lib dems and SNP) are going to join together to defeat TM and the eurosceptic wing of the Tory party to make sure we have a soft brexit, and stay in the single market and customs union. Thoughts?