IPA go suck it

[marshbrewer]

Lee's post has a lot in it that I agree with, I'm getting a bit fed up with hoppy fizzy pop trying to pass itself off as some kind of artisan masterpiece. I console myself that, like most trends, it has no substance and will pass.

What surprises me is the ferocity and obnoxiousness of some of its advocates; it's beer FFS, take a chill pill.

 

[GerritT]

"Anyway I would love to hear from you over hopping home brew failures and would love to be proven wrong but I think I have hit the nail on the head..."

Troll behaviour.

 

[Ajhutch]

Lee's post has a lot in it that I agree with, I'm getting a bit fed up with hoppy fizzy pop trying to pass itself off as some kind of artisan masterpiece. I console myself that, like most trends, it has no substance and will pass.

What surprises me is the ferocity and obnoxiousness of some of its advocates; it's beer FFS, take a chill pill.

I don’t think this thread offers any evidence that the advocates or detractors of IPA are any more or less ferocious or obnoxious than each other quite frankly. I sincerely hope the IPA craze doesn’t pass on the basis that i enjoy it and think it’s tasty beer. Those that don’t like it can ignore it now, but if it went away those of us who like it would miss out, which is clearly a bad thing for us.

 

[Stephenj]

Lee's post has a lot in it that I agree with, I'm getting a bit fed up with hoppy fizzy pop trying to pass itself off as some kind of artisan masterpiece. I console myself that, like most trends, it has no substance and will pass.

What surprises me is the ferocity and obnoxiousness of some of its advocates; it's beer FFS, take a chill pill.

I'll share my chill pill with the obnoxious self righteous bastions of true old school real ale which stand the test of time.

 

[BREWERS DROOP]

Got some flared trousers somewhere, i might get them out and see if they make a comeback.

 

[peebee]

This is what I feel ...

See what you started?

The new "trends" in home-brewing used to wind me up a few years ago. Just ignore it and carry on regardless. A lot of garbage has been introduced by the American "craft" [sic] beer movement, with their invention of "new" "styles" and naming them after historic beers that they in no way resemble (e.g. "IPA" and "porter"). BUT! Along the way that movement has inspired a lot of new start ups to UK home brewing with techniques that can have these newbies producing something drinkable very quickly. UK home brewing had got stuck in a rut and this shove from the "craft" beer lot has inspired lots of new thinking (and rediscovery of what some inspired groups and individuals, but generally ignored back then, were up to). UK commercial brewers a few decades ago were just as guilty of churning out irrelevant muck (and it really was muck) and calling it something it wasn't (like "IPA").

After decades of brewing I'm only now brewing stuff that puts many commercial examples to shame. I have hand-pumps now and know how to get the best from them (its ironic to have worked out that to serve beer as "Real Ale" ones skills and delicacy with carbon dioxide has to be second to none). And I have access to reams of useful information, equipment and recipes I never had before.

I mess with historic recipes. Eighteenth century London porter has been most rewarding. At the moment I'm messing with nineteenth century pale ale - 55IBUs of EKG hops is pretty robust in a 5-6%ABV beer and will take a few months to become drinkable, and I haven't even started on historic UK "IPA".

Giving entire nations of lager drinkers inspiration to brew more interesting "beers" is bound to result in things you can't agree with. But that's no bad thing when it goes on to inspire doubters to brew even more interesting beers.

 

[Drunkula]

I love drinking beer. I enjoy posting about beer. I find they are best not done at the same time.

I think it needs to be a new trend called "Craft Thinking" and I encourage the movement.

 

[AdeDunn]

I think it needs to be a new trend called "Craft Thinking" and I encourage the movement.

Maybe drunk in charge of a keyboard should be a thing? lol Please don't abbreviate that..... lmao

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Maybe drunk in charge of a keyboard should be a thing? lol Please don't abbreviate that..... lmao

 

[Manxnorton]

I was just texing @BeardedMag about a few bottles wor lass got me from Morrison's...one was a citrus ipa....
bloody hell...ive made my own citrus ipa, far better than the can of piss I have now..
Kris actually said all homebrewers should give yourself more credit...
i'm waiting for the next 'fad' coming back n i'll be happy to do a rant...milkshake IPA.
like others, I don't give a dam to follow anyone saying "your doing it wrong! should do it this way!"
9 times oot of 10 I've tried an ways.
love Lee's 'But hey a drunken man's words are a sober man's thoughts'
Bri

 

[GerritT]

It's like that gluten fad that's been going around now for some years. I'd LOVE to spit hipster glutenfree lactosefree soy FODMAP vegans in the eyes until I'm dehydrated, but one advantage: my coeliacian colleagues have now way more choice in the supermarkets.

 

[Pope]

If you don't like it, then don't drink it. Let other people who do enjoy that style, do so.

 

[Pope]

What surprises me is the ferocity and obnoxiousness of some of its advocates; it's beer FFS, take a chill pill.

As opposed to the ferocity and obnoxiousness of its critics?

 

[Sadfield]

Ha Ha. "it's beer FFS" except when it's "hoppy fizzy pop trying to pass itself off as some kind of artisan masterpiece.“

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[Covrich]

Like many here I appreciate from just about all of the scale and plane of the beer umbrella.. That could be a citrus bomb, a nice bodied ESB to a porter to a Wiess to a Lager..

People will like what they like, I for one can understand why people appreciate any style.

I do not get why it upsets people..

 

[Sadfield]

I do not get why it upsets people..

I think it stems from a lack of knowledge. Probably why the arguement often reverts to the old cliché of "overhopping" to mask faults or poor brewing. Given that I can't recall a uk brewery that's sole output is modern IPAs, it begs the question, how do they hide the flaws in their other beers? Not to mention the absurdity in the belief that breweries excessively use the most expensive ingredient in this way, as apposed to making other process changes.


+1 on the umbrella of beer.

"A mind that is stretched by a new experience can never go back to its old dimensions." - Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.

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[JonBrew]

I get why some are jaded by the ever evolving IPA scene. I don't think it can really be called a fad anymore though as it's been around for a long time and shows no sign of stopping IMO. I cant think of any UK commercial brewers who solely produce IPA styles but I can think of many for whom seems to make up the vast majority of the their output. And that just shows you the strength of the market for it. Do I wish there were more high quality commercially produced examples of other styles I love on the market? Sure, but that's the beauty of being a home brewer. I don't buy many IPAs these days and I rarely brew them anymore either. Having learned to brew, I brew the beer styles I want to drink. I've had my fill of IPAs so to speak; but IPA is a big part of what got me onto the craft beer scene in the first place and, to an extent, into home brewing. And the style continues to be a gateway for may 'big beer' drinkers (and non beer drinkers) day - this is a big part of why they are and will continue to be so popular.

One thing I have come to realise recently is that, regardless of your opinion, there is no good that can come from 'hating' on others because of the choices they make. Whether it's big beer, craft beer, hipsters, old school brewers, CAMRA, whatever. Hate gets us nowhere and, amongst other things, only creates detractors out of those who might otherwise become home brewers and advocates of the hobby to further it's growth within the UK.

 

[-Bezza-]

IPA is a big part of what got me onto the craft beer scene in the first place

This.

The highly marketed lagers got me into beer.
When I got bored of the bland, fizzy lager, I discovered Newcastle Brown.
From here I embraced cask ales of the CAMRA ilk and things like Hobgoblin, Old Speck etc (and this was the first foray into homebrew)
Then I got into the IPA/APA styles and that was what really sparked an interest and opened up my eyes to all the different types of beer out there.

 

[Saisonator]

Right I'm going to be honest from the start. I'm a little bit under the influence at the moment but this does not discern what I'm trying to say.
Tonight I have been sampling a few pints of the glorious Amber of the gods, many few of which were some of the most overly hoped style of an IPA I have ever tasted.
Now what I am asking of the home brew community is: have you all gave up?
I joined this forum to widen my knowledge after a few years of giving it a miss.
Now what I see is: ipa ipa ipa neipa neipa.
Whats wrong have you not figured out how to get rid of the yeasty home brew twang and decided to hide it with more hops.
This is my point I feel that this craft brewing has come to a point of blah blah blah. "I taste gooseberry " "I taste butter " "I taste an old man's ball bag" but not a single mention of a poor attempt of a proper beer.
We can all throw a bag of hops in a fv. As a long time drunk I can definitely say over hop beers taste the same.....heart burn. I like a hoppy beer but I think it has come to the point where it is starting to take the piss and the beer drinkers are becoming just as bad as the wineos. " I put 4 kg of galaxy in my beer and it tastes like a hoppy beer" no ******* ****! You must be some sort of alchemist to get the flavours of the hop flowers by putting a ton of them in a gallon of beer. Anyway I would love to hear from you over hopping home brew failures and would love to be proven wrong but I think I have hit the nail on the head...

A lot of opinion but very little knowledge.

 

[Ajhutch]

This.

The highly marketed lagers got me into beer.
When I got bored of the bland, fizzy lager, I discovered Newcastle Brown.
From here I embraced cask ales of the CAMRA ilk and things like Hobgoblin, Old Speck etc (and this was the first foray into homebrew)
Then I got into the IPA/APA styles and that was what really sparked an interest and opened up my eyes to all the different types of beer out there.

Throw in a Guinness phase and that’s almost exactly my boozing journey too