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Which party will you vote for

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  • Conservative

  • Reform

  • Green

  • SNP

  • Lib Dem

  • Still on the fence.

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Similar feelings here. I find myself most in tune with the Lib Dem policies and, as you said Ed Dave’s comes across as a straight forward and decent man (I watched his interview too), but where I live I have to vote Labour if there’s to be any chancing of getting rid of the Tories.
Don't think the Postmasters/Postmistresses would agree with that he is lucky to still have apolitical career having dodged a bullet
 
They are all limited companies and Reform is registered with the Electoral commission, if they were not a real party they would not be on the ballot.
The members have a say in who is the leader in all other parties. Farage is the majority shareholdef and Rice minority, think they are the two. What farage says goes. No democracy.
 
Boris for PM :D






Rishi Sunak has confirmed that the Conservative Party is working with Boris Johnson to send out letters of support for some candidates, saying the support of the former prime minister “will make a difference".

These comments came from that same campaign stop in North Devon, when Rishi Sunak was asked whether he felt “let down” that Johnson hasn’t been actively on the campaign trail.

He insisted Johnson is supporting his efforts: “It’s great that Boris is supporting the Conservative Party, I very much welcome that. He’s endorsing many candidates in videos and letters which have been coordinated by the campaign and I know that will make a difference. And of course every week he’s making the case in his column… and I’m glad he’s doing that.”

The prime minister made these comments while visiting one of the top 100 safest Conservative seats.

BBC News
 
I was just thinking, in 5 years we will all be talking the same old ****, nothing will change never does

Lets hope Starmer is telling the truth and tax for the low paid will not rise in his first 5 years if it turns out to be the same old boom and bust labour party as many are predicting he and the party will be lucky if they ever get back in again and that will leave us between a rock and hard place Tory or Reform.
 
YouGov poll has Tory & Reform on 18%

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Do you agree with the 4 point plan?

If not please answer each point and explain dont just say no.


Reform UK

4 point-plan to stop the boats

1. Leave the ECHR

2. Zero illegal immigrants to be settled in the UK

3. A new Department of immigration

4. Pick up illegals at sea and returning them to France
 
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Do you agree with the 4 point plan?

If not please explain dont just say no.


Reform UK

4 point-plan to stop the boats

1. Leave the ECHR

2. Zero illegal immigrants to be settled in the UK

3. A new Department of immigration

4. Pick up illegals at sea and returning them to France

No. The trade off is far too high.

If you ever want a trade deal with the EU then having some alignment with the ECHR is unavoidable. They’re the bigger partner in any trade deal and we’ll do what they want because access to the biggest trading bloc in the world is way more important.

Which also leads me on to point 4. What are they going to do, have Royal Navy boats sail in to French water and drop them off? Not going to happen if you want any kind of relationship with the EU. That’s the best kind of scenario - the worst is what Greek police have been uncovered as doing.

So yes you could do it, but it’s would be very painful, and completely isolate the UK from the rest of Europe.
 
Who does this. The police, Royal Navy or some other body.
How much does it cost?
What is the risk to human life?
And how would you negotiate with the French to agree to take back refugees.

Also how does this effect Britain's reputation abroad?
 
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Do you agree with the 4 point plan?
If not please answer each point and explain dont just say no.



No.

1. I believe in having a recognised framework on human rights. We contributed to the creation of the convention, and one only needs to look at who is not a signatory to see the company we'd be in if we pulled out of it. Pull out of the Geneva Convention whilst we're at it?

2. I don't accept the premise. Currently no proper legal routes. I would like us to set up offices on mainland Europe to process applications. Anyone then who enters illegally can and should be dealt with properly. We will need to foster much better relationships with Europe (France especially) for bilateral cooperation.

3. Nothing wrong with current one apart from it's reactive rather than proactive as per answer 2.

4. No. We had a method for returning people before we left the EU and we'll need to work to build those working relationships again. We need to be realistic about taking our fair share.

I'd also like to point out that I would quite like for there not to be a massive gap in finances that we are facing in the coming years, caused by completely unbalanced demographic make-up. We either need to start shagging pronto, or accept that we need migration to pay for pension benefit. We aren't getting any younger.
 
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Do you agree with the 4 point plan?
If not please answer each point and explain dont just say no.
No. I believe that the European Court on Human Rights (which the UK was instrumental in setting up) is a force for good. Leaving it will just result in lowering the human rights of people in this country and is a MONUMENTALLY EVIL thing to be considering.
 
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Major Tory donor tells BBC he is voting Labour​


John Caudwell, the founder of Phones 4U, described Rishi Sunak as an “absolute dud” and said the Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer “just really hits the spot with a lot of issues with me”
The Labour Party in my estimation, as much as I disagree with some of the policies, are absolutely the very best for Britain going forward.


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A billionaire who gave the Conservatives £500,000 before the last general election has told the BBC he will vote Labour for the first time in his life next month.

John Caudwell, the founder of Phones 4U, described Rishi Sunak as an “absolute dud” and said the Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer “just really hits the spot with a lot of issues with me”.

The businessman has been critical of Labour’s plan to charge VAT on private school fees and has said some of Reform UK's policies "sound sensible", although he ruled out backing Nigel Farage's party over its stance on climate change among other things.

He stopped short of saying he would donate money to Labour at this election.

But he added: “The Labour Party in my estimation, as much as I disagree with some of the policies, are absolutely the very best for Britain going forward.

“What I see is a Labour Party committed to GDP growth and the environment.

"Without GDP growth you can’t look after your social services. And without focusing on the environment there won’t be a world to look after.”

Mr Caudwell said he had donated to the Conservatives in 2019 “because I couldn’t possibly stand a Corbyn government, and I am still of exactly the same view there.”

He praised Sir Keir's attempts to get rid of what he called "the loony Left" which had focused on "extreme socialist policies", instead of "creating a wealthy Britain".

"We can't tax rich people in order to help the poor because they'll go off to Monaco and other places, we have to create real genuine wealth.”

He added that “I hope to goodness I am right in my judgement and they make Britain great again.”

The entrepreneur - who the Sunday Times Rich List recently claimed was worth £1.537bn - said “my thoughts on Labour historically were very negative” and “it took a lot of me soul searching” to get to the point of being comfortable with the idea of voting Labour.

John Caudwell has been increasingly critical of the Conservatives in recent months and is particularly outspoken about the prime minister.

“Everything he did within COVID was wrong. He paid people for furlough which was all or nothing. He gave them too much in the wrong way.

"The criticisms that I made of Rishi during his chancellorship, I think were pretty much evidenced in the D Day situation,” which he claimed showed “a complete lack of judgement.”

He said “until a few months ago I was voteless” but he had met Sir Keir and Sir Tony Blair in January, and saw the Labour leader again last Friday after the publication of the party's manifesto.

He has not given any money to the Labour Party but said “it is quite possible” he would in the future “if I think they have done an amazing job.”

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cw00rgq24xvo
 
Lets hope Starmer is telling the truth and tax for the low paid will not rise in his first 5 years if it turns out to be the same old boom and bust labour party as many are predicting he and the party will be lucky if they ever get back in again and that will leave us between a rock and hard place Tory or Reform.
Could you point me to the references that arrive at the same old boom and bust labour party?
I'll leave this to help https://www.channel4.com/news/factc...arty-has-a-better-track-record-on-the-economy
 
Do you agree with the 4 point plan?

If not please answer each point and explain dont just say no.


Reform UK

4 point-plan to stop the boats

1. Leave the ECHR

2. Zero illegal immigrants to be settled in the UK

3. A new Department of immigration

4. Pick up illegals at sea and returning them to France
As explained many times, farage just likes headlines, these are just soundbites.
1. Have a look at ECHR court cases, what about the cases of wrongful imprisonments amongst others, ECHR doesn't just do asylum seekers cases.
2. The new illegal immigrants law hasn't been tested yet in court and it is thought that it will not stand up.
3. I thought less bureaucracy was wanted.
4. The French authorities are not bound to take them and are perfectly entitled to stop official vessels from entering French waters.
 
I'll leave this to help

I will leave this quote from it to help ;)

It’s fair to say that GDP was generally better under Labour, but only up until the financial crisis. Of course, the crisis was a global phenomenon that would have hit Britain no matter which party was in government. But critics say Labour could have done more to limit the impact.

Since then, growth has slowed significantly under the Conservatives. But whether this is because of government policy, or the continuing repercussions of the financial crash, is up for debate.

GDP is widely seen as one the most important ways to assess economic prosperity, attempting to measure the overall state of the country’s finances in a single number. It’s a good starting point but, by it’s nature, it doesn’t show us the nuances and details.
 
Circumstances matter more than competence.

In 1997 the Tories had impressively delivered growth and kept inflation in check after the ERM issues, which were largely out of their control. They were rewarded with a landslide defeat.

Labour and the UK were fortunate to benefit from the liberalisation of the credit market, allowing them to spend while individuals felt their money go a lot further.
 
Circumstances matter more than competence.

In 1997 the Tories had impressively delivered growth and kept inflation in check after the ERM issues, which were largely out of their control. They were rewarded with a landslide defeat.

Labour and the UK were fortunate to benefit from the liberalisation of the credit market, allowing them to spend while individuals felt their money go a lot further.


They did spend, but they borrowed far less than I had always assumed, or had been led to believe. The growth of our borrowing and national debt under The Conservatives the past 14 years is absolutely terrifying, and should put paid to any idea of Tory economic competence.
 
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Major Tory donor tells BBC he is voting Labour​


John Caudwell, the founder of Phones 4U, described Rishi Sunak as an “absolute dud” and said the Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer “just really hits the spot with a lot of issues with me”
The Labour Party in my estimation, as much as I disagree with some of the policies, are absolutely the very best for Britain going forward.



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A billionaire who gave the Conservatives £500,000 before the last general election has told the BBC he will vote Labour for the first time in his life next month.

John Caudwell, the founder of Phones 4U, described Rishi Sunak as an “absolute dud” and said the Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer “just really hits the spot with a lot of issues with me”.

The businessman has been critical of Labour’s plan to charge VAT on private school fees and has said some of Reform UK's policies "sound sensible", although he ruled out backing Nigel Farage's party over its stance on climate change among other things.

He stopped short of saying he would donate money to Labour at this election.

But he added: “The Labour Party in my estimation, as much as I disagree with some of the policies, are absolutely the very best for Britain going forward.

“What I see is a Labour Party committed to GDP growth and the environment.

"Without GDP growth you can’t look after your social services. And without focusing on the environment there won’t be a world to look after.”

Mr Caudwell said he had donated to the Conservatives in 2019 “because I couldn’t possibly stand a Corbyn government, and I am still of exactly the same view there.”

He praised Sir Keir's attempts to get rid of what he called "the loony Left" which had focused on "extreme socialist policies", instead of "creating a wealthy Britain".

"We can't tax rich people in order to help the poor because they'll go off to Monaco and other places, we have to create real genuine wealth.”

He added that “I hope to goodness I am right in my judgement and they make Britain great again.”

The entrepreneur - who the Sunday Times Rich List recently claimed was worth £1.537bn - said “my thoughts on Labour historically were very negative” and “it took a lot of me soul searching” to get to the point of being comfortable with the idea of voting Labour.

John Caudwell has been increasingly critical of the Conservatives in recent months and is particularly outspoken about the prime minister.

“Everything he did within COVID was wrong. He paid people for furlough which was all or nothing. He gave them too much in the wrong way.

"The criticisms that I made of Rishi during his chancellorship, I think were pretty much evidenced in the D Day situation,” which he claimed showed “a complete lack of judgement.”

He said “until a few months ago I was voteless” but he had met Sir Keir and Sir Tony Blair in January, and saw the Labour leader again last Friday after the publication of the party's manifesto.

He has not given any money to the Labour Party but said “it is quite possible” he would in the future “if I think they have done an amazing job.”

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cw00rgq24xvo
 
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