Footage of officer 'kneeling on neck' investigated

[Joust]

I worked in crowd control & football security when I was a young man. (In the 80's) When you had a violent thug you'd use any advantage you had to keep them on the ground until the cops arrived. In fact the cops would rather we dealt with the initial incident as they had their hands tied behind there backs as to what force they could use.
If you didn't nip it in the bud the usual thugs would have a chance to join in making the situation worse. They wouldn't think twice about hurting us if we were on the ground.
If they hurt a copper during an arrest they got payback in the holding cells beneath the stadium. The usual thugs knew this would happen which kept them pretty much in control most of the time once the cops arrived. It was a game they played every home game & we all knew the culprits & spent most of the match watching the same faces every week.
I feel sorry for the cops because they're damned if you do or damned if you don't & they deal with strangers. Only a cop knows the fear of the unknown when you have to tackle these idiots day in day out, especially if the thug gets the upper hand they won't worry about using measured force against the police.

I'm not sure how relevant your 40 year old stories of football violence are to this and recent similar news stories.
Was the guy in the news article a thug? Was he a danger? he was already handcuffed.
Was George Floyd a thug? Was George Floyd resisting?

If anything your story tells us about people In a position of power and care are being unprofessional and extracting revenge in basement beatings.

 

[Clint Eastwood]

I completely understand what you're saying, but if kneeling on a head or neck risks death, surely it needs to not happen.

That aside, if we start using the reasoning that "Well the criminals would do it, so the police should be able to do it too", we're all in the s**t.

Only those who are up to no good or potentially violent need to worry. Act first ask questions later, who knows you be the thugs next target.
Then you'll be the first to complain.

 

[Joust]

Only those who are up to no good or potentially violent need to worry. Act first ask questions later, who knows you be the thugs next target.
Then you'll be the first to complain.

What about all the people that are killed that weren't up to no good?

 

[Clint Eastwood]

I'm not sure how relevant your 40 year old stories of football violence are to this and recent similar news stories.
Was the guy in the news article a thug? Was he a danger? he was already handcuffed.
Was George Floyd a thug? Was George Floyd resisting?

If anything your story tells us about people In a position of power and care are being unprofessional and extracting revenge in basement beatings.

You wouldn't be saying that if you were the innocent victim of these thugs. The crowds would cheer as we dragged them out.
I doubt whether you'd be willing to put yourself in danger to protect others. Until you do, don't judge those who are.

 

[Clint Eastwood]

What about all the people that are killed that weren't up to no good?

They knew the risks, or at least should do. What about the cops who are killed to protect you?

 

[Clint Eastwood]

They knew the risks, or at least should do. What about the cops who are killed to protect you?

Sorry miss-read.

 

[Joust]

They knew the risks, or at least should do. What about the cops who are killed to protect you?

What? That doesn't make sense.
What about the innocent people who are killed by the police? The people who were doing nothing wrong?

Know the risks of what?

 

[Rodcx500z]

At this point i would normally have a beer, but its a little early

 

[Joust]

At this point i would normally have a beer, but its a little early

I've just made a round of pineapple and Banana smoothies for the family. I could put a bit of rum in mine?

 

[Linalmeemow]

Only those who are...potentially violent need to worry. Act first ask questions later, who knows you be the thugs next target.
Then you'll be the first to complain.

"Potentially violent". So not actually violent then?

So who gets to decide who is "potentially violent"? You? You sound as potentially violent as the "thugs".

 

[TheOsprey]

Only those who are up to no good or potentially violent need to worry. Act first ask questions later, who knows you be the thugs next target.
Then you'll be the first to complain.

Maybe you should move to North Korea, where "those criminals get what's coming to them".

Can you share evidence of this guy being violent, or a threat, please?

 

[Clint Eastwood]

This is to the clique.
Professionalism? The only qualification was being a bigger thugs than the thugs. We could try it your way but lets just stand & watch the bloodbath as no doubt you'd probably run away. (Most people did)
In fact if it were not for the people willing to risk their lives to protect you, everyday would be a bloodbath for you.
In my time of "thuggery" It was a time of no CCTV, no "evidence" as people wouldn't dare to come forward never mind deal with it. There was no banning from stadiums & the crowd was near on 100% male.
Now the do-gooders want to question the slightest thing the cops do without any evidence yet criticise the cops on it.
This is the problem of the modern world where young men don't produce testosterone so it is a nicer place.
The wake up call is some men do produce it & will take everything you have without a thought.
So next time you see a copper being a little "rough" try & consider what he is going through in protecting you from these idiots.
It's not a script or a play they are in but real life where their lives are in danger.
As for the two recent incidents, the guy in the US had a rap sheet as long as your arm. Including holding a pregnant woman hostage during a robbery. I know that is no excuse for what that cop did but the law is dealing with that. Let the law deal with this as non of us know the facts.
Stop loving the bad people & stand with those who battle them every day to protect you.
It doesn't matter what colour they are. It's about the unscripted moment they are in. No they are not perfect but we have rules to sort that later.
It's obvious the guy in the video has no head & his neck goes all the way to his forehead, if he cried get of my nuts half of you would still believe him. The last Bame to be killed by a cop in this country was on Westminster bridge trying to blow you up. But that's the modern world for you. More white people are killed by cops yet that's not a story anymore is it?
It's your political agenda! More whites are killed by blacks, more blacks are killed by blacks, but lets ignore the truth to suit your agenda.

 

[TheOsprey]

It's your political agenda! More whites are killed by blacks, more blacks are killed by blacks, but lets ignore the truth to suit your agenda.

Again please share your statistics which prove this?

And "Big Dave said it down the pub" doesn't count.

 

[Linalmeemow]

This is to the clique.
Professionalism? The only qualification was being a bigger thugs than the thugs. We could try it your way but lets just stand & watch the bloodbath as no doubt you'd probably run away. (Most people did)
In fact if it were not for the people willing to risk their lives to protect you, everyday would be a bloodbath for you.
In my time of "thuggery" It was a time of no CCTV, no "evidence" as people wouldn't dare to come forward never mind deal with it. There was no banning from stadiums & the crowd was near on 100% male.
Now the do-gooders want to question the slightest thing the cops do without any evidence yet criticise the cops on it.
This is the problem of the modern world where young men don't produce testosterone so it is a nicer place.
The wake up call is some men do produce it & will take everything you have without a thought.
So next time you see a copper being a little "rough" try & consider what he is going through in protecting you from these idiots.
It's not a script or a play they are in but real life where their lives are in danger.
As for the two recent incidents, the guy in the US had a rap sheet as long as your arm. Including holding a pregnant woman hostage during a robbery. I know that is no excuse for what that cop did but the law is dealing with that. Let the law deal with this as non of us know the facts.
Stop loving the bad people & stand with those who battle them every day to protect you.
It doesn't matter what colour they are. It's about the unscripted moment they are in. No they are not perfect but we have rules to sort that later.
It's obvious the guy in the video has no head & his neck goes all the way to his forehead, if he cried get of my nuts half of you would still believe him. The last Bame to be killed by a cop in this country was on Westminster bridge trying to blow you up. But that's the modern world for you. More white people are killed by cops yet that's not a story anymore is it?
It's your political agenda! More whites are killed by blacks, more blacks are killed by blacks, but lets ignore the truth to suit your agenda.

Your world sounds terrifying. I think most of it's in your head though, it doesn't bear any resemblance to reality.

 

[Joust]

Some people have swallowed too much Tommy Robinson twitter to be reached.

 

[Covrich]

Brother lives in US and has done for many many years, he says to be fair the amount of black people that are murdered by other black people is truley horrifying. But what upsets him the most is nobody gives a damn.

 

[Jim Brewster]

Was the guy in the news article a thug? Was he a danger? he was already handcuffed.
Was George Floyd a thug? Was George Floyd resisting?

George Floyd pled guilty to pointing a gun at a woman's stomach during a robbery and was sent to prison, so yes he was, at least at one time. Not quite deserving of the halo hes been given.

 

[TheOsprey]

George Floyd pled guilty to pointing a gun at a woman's stomach during a robbery and was sent to prison, so yes he was, at least at one time. Not quite deserving of the halo hes been given.

Are you saying he'd admitted and already been punished for that crime then?

 

[Linalmeemow]

George Floyd pled guilty to pointing a gun at a woman's stomach during a robbery and was sent to prison, so yes he was, at least at one time. Not quite deserving of the halo hes been given.

His criminal history is completely irrelevant. The police are not empowered to kill any suspect other than in exceptional circumstances.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Just to let members know Mr Cook will not be bothering us again, i have removed all the stuff he posted and any reference to it.