Covid-19 the second wave.

[simon12]

Just an observation in the week to 24/12/2020 (latest data) London had over 1/5th of all its positives since the start, the East had very nearly a 1/5th and the south east over a 6th (no other region even close). So in these areas risk of catching it are as high as they have ever been.

 

[Brewnaldo]

The average bin man or Lidl worker is in contact with far more households, and more elderly etc, than the average school kid. As I say, it's easy to say put group X up the priority list, but you have to be aware that it has to be matched by an equal commitment to putting another group down the list.



You expect some reactions as the immune system sets to work recognising what's in any vaccine, and you tend to get more reactions in younger people as they have stronger immune systems. That's why one ends up with some vaccines having a lower dose for kids and a higher dose for the elderly, to tailor the response to the strength of their immune systems.

Fortunately the SARS2 vaccines seem pretty good as far as side-effects go.



You're right on one level, that hospital capacity is one of the things that should be used as a key metric - but at the same time you're ignoring the fact that 5-10% of all cases end up with long COVID, which can be hugely debilitating and potentially could be a huge drain on health resources in the future - like polio only worse.

Not sure how much hospital resource is being taken up by Long Covid, and i'm even less sure that fairly standard post viral fatigue is any excuse whatsoever to continue restricting people life ina way that is causing immense harm. And yes, I am fully aware that there have been a few widely reported cases of it being severe. Again though, a tiny minority. Where there was no "fighting chance" available against this disease at its outset, there is now vaccines, soon to be many of, which are highly effective according to testing data. I'm afraid for me, that's as much as we should be doing interms of prevention of spread. It was right to lock down before. But all the talk of continuing resctrictions is a no go for me once the vulnerable are vaccinated. This is now an endemic respiratory infection. No one has a divine right to be protected from catching it, especially at the current astronomical cost.

 

[trueblue]

No wonder it's spreading

 

[Appleyard]

Every single one helping to kill people, maim people, and further damage our economy.

 

[marshbrewer]

The Oxford vaccine had been approved for use in the UK. That should speed things up.

 

[Benfleet Brewery]

11 days after moving into the newly created Tier 4, a major incident has now been declared in Essex due to the number of COVID cases with the Mid and South Essex Trust placing all of its hospitals on critical alert.

Something isn’t working!

 

[chopps]

Right, we have 3 days to buy food then nobody leaves their home for 14 days apart from medical staff. Or if you are in an ambulance. Escapees will be shot on sight. If you live, you will be charged with attempted murder. Close the borders. Land mines on the beaches. If that doesn’t work we should nuke the country from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.

 

[Covrich]

The Oxford vaccine had been approved for use in the UK. That should speed things up.

That is good news, much easier to distribute .. pray it will, as you say speed up the process

 

[Rodcx500z]

Hope this is fake news, California nurse tests positive over a week after receiving Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine: ABC | Reuters

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Some medical person on 5 live has just said they can quickly get to 60 percent of us vaccinated which will help massively.

 

[Covrich]

Hope this is fake news, California nurse tests positive over a week after receiving Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine: ABC | Reuters

If true as they say though thats only teh first dose which takes up to 10-14 days to give around 50% protection and this was 7-8 days.. So in theory they were not at much protection at that point.

 

[Covrich]

Some medical person on 5 live has just said they can quickly get to 60 percent of us vaccinated which will help massively.

Amazing news, seriously good news.

 

[Cheshire Cat]

Some medical person on 5 live has just said they can quickly get to 60 percent of us vaccinated which will help massively.

Did the expert define quickly? 60% in 3 months would be quickly.

 

[JockyBrewer]

Hope this is fake news, California nurse tests positive over a week after receiving Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine: ABC | Reuters

Fake or not, it’s not unexpected. Even after both doses this vaccine is only 96% effective, so 4% of people that would have got COVID will still get it, and being a nurse they’re much more likely to be exposed.

As it is, this person only had one dose so far, and you need a 1-2 weeks for your immune system to respond. At that stage the effectiveness might be 50% or less.

 

[VW911]

I strongly suspect that we'll be seeing a new thread soon...


..."Covid-19 the Third Wave."

ad infinitum...

 

[Appleyard]

The Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine's been approved for use now, a few months hence the situation should be different.


Press release:

Oxford University/AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine approved


Information:

Regulatory approval of COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca

(Edit: Ah, beaten to it by jjsh )

 

[Appleyard]

Hope this is fake news, California nurse tests positive over a week after receiving Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine: ABC | Reuters

It probably is true. As the article's headline says: "Vaccinated US nurse contracts COVID-19, expert says Pfizer shot needed more time to work - ABC" and in the article: "Christian Ramers, an infectious disease specialist with Family Health Centers of San Diego, told the ABC News affiliate that this scenario was not unexpected. “We know from the vaccine clinical trials that it’s going to take about 10 to 14 days for you to start to develop protection from the vaccine,” Ramers said"

Edit: Ninja'd *again*, by Covrich this time! That'll teach me to read the last few articles befor psoting...

 

[An Ankoù]

I strongly suspect that we'll be seeing a new thread soon...


..."Covid-19 the Third Wave.

ad infinitum...

I fear you might be right. WIth parts of the country in tier 17 by Easter.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Did the expert define quickly? 60% in 3 months would be quickly.

I didn't catch it all so am not sure if they said how long it would take to get to 60%, i will see if i can find the podcast.

 

[trueblue]

I did hear today the anti-vacc crowd are going mad on twatter and faceache. If you are worried and have ever eaten a McDonalds you don't need to worry about whats in the vaccine.