4.5 day week.

[An Ankoù]

Can i again point out -
This is not about bad teachers or parents its the hypocrisy of saying you cannot take your kids out of school in term time because they cannot lose 5 days education but it will be ok to lose 2 days a month if they bring this in.
How do you know this?

Its a suggestion to avoid kids losing taught time. Together with pushing non-contact time to Friday afternoons. If it were already in place there world be no need for it to be "pushed".

In fact this was my experience as a pupil in the 60s. Half the school had games on Wednesday pm and the other half on Friday pm. We had P E as well.

Friday afternoon is always the worst time for classroom teaching as everyone's anticipating the weekend.

I don't see where hypocricy comes into it since it's not the teaching unions who are fining the parents and it's not the teaching authorities who are suggesting a shortened week so who's the hypocrite? Inconsistent, perhaps, even paradoxical, but not hypocritical, surely.

 

[xozzx]

Also I imagine it is very disruptive when a child is off for a week and needs to catch up with the rest of the class.

 

[An Ankoù]

Also I imagine it is very disruptive when a child is off for a week and needs to catch up with the rest of the class.

You'd think so, but in a class of 30 there's often somebody off through sickness. Kids catch up quickly in most subjects. If a kid was going to be away for a little time, it was common practice to send work home in my school. Maths might be a bit harder than some other subjects. Maths teachers seem to have drawn the short straw in many respects, not least the homework load.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

I don't see where hypocricy comes into it since it's not the teaching unions who are fining the parents and it's not the teaching authorities who are suggesting a shortened week so who's the hypocrite? Inconsistent, perhaps, even paradoxical, but not hypocritical, surely.

The hypocrisy will come if the government decide whoever came up with this are right and go ahead after fining families who couldn't take their kids on holiday in the school holidays because holiday firms *treble the price every year in school holiday time.
*guestimate.

Schools are open 38 weeks a year so that is 19 days lost not just 5 for the aforementioned holiday.

 

[An Ankoù]

The hypocrisy will come if the government decide whoever came up with this are right and go ahead after fining families for taking their kids out of school because holiday firms *treble the price of holidays every year at school holiday time.

*guestimate.

So it's about a perceived, but as yet non-existent "hypocrisy" which doesn't and possibly never will come into being
VERSUS
A real and present greed among holiday providers, which is taking advantage of sound educational policy and persevering, hard-pressed parents to line their pockets.

I think I know where I'd be looking for change.
But, in fact, I think holiday providers are not targeting school holidays exclusively. The warm seasons are always pricier because it;s when everybody wants their break- because it's hot.

 

[Stu]

The minimum that an employee can gat is 28 for full time. That’s what most in the construction side get

The link says that.

It also says what the average is. You said the average is 28. It's not. Not all of us are construction workers.

 

[Stu]

The whole idea of keeping all in school or training until 18 is a ridiculous idea designed to keep unemployment figures down.
Half the kids need to get their butts down to building sites learning to lay bricks or wire up houses if we're going to build another million and a half before easter.
Starmer hasnt got a clue. Reeves is worse.

But they don't have to stay in school.
There are a number of options at 16. School, college, apprenticeships....

In fact, those things that you mentioned are exactly what apprenticeships should be about. Forcing young people to actually get proper qualifications rather than bodging everything.

I'm not sure what it has to do with Starmer or Reeves though. It's been in place for over 10 years now - it was a Tory thing.

 

[Clint]

In the past when the job I've been in really,really wasn't good anymore...I looked for another. It's not always easy,especially as you get older and start falling to bits but no point just sitting there.
Is it "expected" that teachers use part of their double holiday allowance to do work? Why are some doing all this extra work in their own time for nothing? Isn't working for nothing either voluntary or slavery? What's going to be said or done if they say "I'll do it in work time?" My bet is nothing as I doubt they have contracts that state "as a teacher you will work for free".

 

[Chippy_Tea]

So it's about a perceived, but as yet non-existent "hypocrisy" which doesn't and possibly never will come into being

Its called discussing a topic hypothetical or not!

There is a discussion going on that could lead to kids losing 19 days of education a year i don't think its fair that parents have already been fined for taking their kids out of school for 5 days in the past when the reason given for the fine was the kids couldn't afford to lose 5 days education in a year.

 

[Donegal john]

The link says that.

It also says what the average is. You said the average is 28. It's not. Not all of us are construction workers.

Nope.
I said the “average worker gets”
Not the average is.
You must have went on holidays during term time and missed the module on grammar.

(A joke, not meant to offend)

 

[An Ankoù]

Its called discussing a topic hypothetical or not!

There is a discussion going on that could lead to kids losing 19 days of education a year i don't think its fair that parents have already been fined for taking their kids out of school for 5 days in the past when the reason given for the fine was the kids couldn't afford to lose 5 days education in a year.

For the second time, where?

 

[Chippy_Tea]

For the second time, where?

As i said in the OP it was on the radio first thing this morning i didn't catch the details but it doesn't matter as i said -


Its called discussing a topic hypothetical or not!

There is a discussion going on that could lead to kids losing 19 days of education a year i don't think its fair that parents have already been fined for taking their kids out of school for 5 days in the past when the reason given for the fine was the kids couldn't afford to lose 5 days education in a year.

 

[An Ankoù]

But they don't have to stay in school.
There are a number of options at 16. School, college, apprenticeships....

In fact, those things that you mentioned are exactly what apprenticeships should be about. Forcing young people to actually get proper qualifications rather than bodging everything.

I'm not sure what it has to do with Starmer or Reeves though. It's been in place for over 10 years now - it was a Tory thing.

My point exactly except they'd be better served being on the job.

 

[Rodcx500z]

Why after kids have been on an official holiday like Christmas, Easter, long summer break, why do they have teacher trainer days on the first day back that's another 4 or 5 days lost

 

[An Ankoù]

Why after kids have been on an official holiday like Christmas, Easter, long summer break, why do they have teacher trainer days on the first day back that's another 4 or 5 days lost

The kids have a statutory minimum number of hours per week that they have to be taught. If the head and governors adjust the length of the teaching day to accommodate some training days then no days are lost. Eg. if the kids have a 50 minute lunch instead an hour that's 50 minutes a week saved, which, over a period of time, amounts to a day they don't need to be in school. It;s not a lost day:, it's a day gained, kids have got more home and play time and teachers can do what they have to do together.
There's a petition with Petitions UK for a reduced school week. It looks like it started on 6th January. It's collected 23 signatures.
Well, 24 now.

As i said in the OP it was on the radio first thing this morning

Right .

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Chippy_Tea said:
As i said in the OP it was on the radio first thing this morning

Right .

 

[An Ankoù]

I believe!

 

[Leon103]

Hopefully not teaching English Language

Welsh language

 

[Leon103]

Glad to hear it. What do you do, then? Time must weigh heavily, innit!

I am teacher, didn't you read the above?

 

[Leon103]

The minimum that an employee can gat is 28 for full time. That’s what most in the construction side get

Bank holidays would be part of that 28 so only 20 where you can actually choose when to take.