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A bit ridiculous to be getting angry about a proposal that nobody of any significance has said as far as I can tell.

Move towards being in education, training etc until 18 simply moves us to what most of the industrialised world do. People need skills, literacy and numeracy for god sake!

Reducing class sizes and dealing with the root causes of poverty and social decay that teachers have to deal with on a day to day basis would be a good place to start.

And as someone who has teachers in my family, I know how damn hard they work. And if someone says 'well I know some who doesn't' does not disprove that general rule (lots of evidence teachers work crazy hours).
 
Teaching functional maths and English to 16 olds who have, for whatever reason, failed it at GCSE seems like a pretty sensible thing to be doing to me. It might help them become successful roofers, etc etc. And there are already alternatives to being in formal education at 16-18. We underfund them in the UK, but that is a separate issue.
 
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Teaching basic maths is essential. The applied stuff,algebra and all the rest is only applicable if its understood and combined with higher education.
A lot depends on whether the person actually WANTS to do such stuff.
You can't force even the brightest kids to do clever stuff if they don't want to as you can't force clever stuff into kids that can't grasp it.
 
Teaching basic maths is essential. The applied stuff,algebra and all the rest is only applicable if its understood and combined with higher education.
A lot depends on whether the person actually WANTS to do such stuff.
You can't force even the brightest kids to do clever stuff if they don't want to as you can't force clever stuff into kids that can't grasp it.
I was in a restaurant the other day. There were 6 of us. The bill came to £179.60 including service charge (so no tip necessary IMHO)

We said to round it up to £180 and we'd split it 3 ways - £60 each.

I jest not, the girl had to get out her phone and calculator.
 
My point exactly except they'd be better served being on the job.
So they can.

That's exactly what an apprenticeship is. You learn and get qualifications whilst working and being paid.

And you can do that from 16.

My son is a chef. He chose to do an apprenticeship rather than go to college.
He has the same qualification either way. Did it in the same timeframe and earned money.
 

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