Your views on how the Tories have handled Coronavirus.

[Stephenj]

In case you missed it -
Here is a perfect example of the type of post i referred to -

I seen it. My response? What's wrong with it?

 

[Rodcx500z]

Time for a beer me thinks, and deepest condolences to all who have lost someone

 

[terrym]

NHS staff are the new footsoldiers. I bet very few NHS staff ever thought they would have to sacrifice their lives for others. My son is a community pharmacist and yet his business ensures he has PPE. I believe part of the problem is a large monolithic organisation finds it hard to act in a timely and agile manner. So if their advance planning has any flaws they are difficult to easily correct.

You are right on both counts
The NHS staff are laying their lives down. But like the rest of us if they catch this virus who knows how they will cope. As people their physiology is the same as ours. All PPE does is to minimise the risk, so that they are available to carry on working. Outside of their work environment they are as vulnerable as the rest of us. Some more than others. And sadly there will be people who have PPE at work but will get infected outside and will die as a result.
And 100% on the NHS management/organisation and how it is responding or indeed is able to respond

 

[Chippy_Tea]

I seen it. My response? What's wrong with it?

There is an old forum I need to observe and that is "don't feed the troll" good night.

 

[trueblue]

Here is a perfect example of the type of post i referred to -

Sorry you didn't like my post but this is just my opinion.
A - I don't think Boris Johnson is good showing leadership in a crisis. In the election he seemed to just keep to soundbites like lets get Brexit done - just my opinion.
B - I have yet to see any of his team that fill me with confidence - Just my opinion.
C - Would Corbyn have done a better job? I doubt it - Just my opinion.
D - Are politicians full of Bull sh!t? I think there a some decent ones who do the job because they want to make a difference but there is also a lot that are career politicians with no concept of what life is like for most of us - Just my opinion.
E - Are German politicians doing a better job than ours? Yes, again just my opinion and there is plenty of evidence out there but to be honest I'm a bit to p!ssed to dig up at the moment.

 

[Linalmeemow]

But why do you feel it necessary to blame someone?

Because there is fault here. There should have been proper risk assessment and control measures in place before putting NHS staff in harm's way. Exercise Cygnus (or whatever it was called) appears to have identified that there was a significant lack of PPE in place for medical staff in the case of a pandemic disease, so this lack of suitable control measures was foreseen but not acted upon. Even the Daily Telegraph is highlighting that the government has tried to bury the results of this exercise.

When all this is over the government is going to have a lot of questions to answer.

 

[Stephenj]

There is an old forum I need to observe and that is "don't feed the troll" good night.

You are more than entitled to think I'm a troll. I'm sure you don't actually believe that though.

The point I was trying to make was that it was someone's opinion, which the gathering of I assume was the intention of the creation of the thread, on a forum which is discussing a topic specifically about how the Tories are handling the crisis. What other responses were expected?

What are the purpose of these types of threads (non brewing)? I assume it's to get discussion going, have a bit craic, perhaps an outlet to vent in what is a really difficult time, but by saying that it has to be backed up with solutions, is counter intuitive and might put people off having a say. Sorry if you feel I've singled you out, or 'trolling' you. I'm not.

 

[samale]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...tain-get-its-response-to-coronavirus-so-wrongA long but interesting read, it covers alot of points made in this thread regardless of your political view point.

 

[Stephenj]

Btw. Homeland had nee solutions. They are normally ahead of the game as well.

 

[pms67]

I actually think the Government have done not too bad since the lockdown (even though I criticised them heavily before then) but there are people on here who will defend any criticism of the Government, especially Boris no matter what.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

The point I was trying to make was that it was someone's opinion, which the gathering of I assume was the intention of the creation of the thread, on a forum which is discussing a topic specifically about how the Tories are handling the crisis. What other responses were expected?

The thread was originally created to keep the tory hating BS out of the coronavirus thread (have a read of a few pages from the first post ) as it was pretty obvious from the start certain members were using the virus as an excuse to bash the tories.

 

[foxy]

I actually think the Government have done not too bad since the lockdown (even though I criticised them heavily before then) but there are people on here who will defend any criticism of the Government, especially Boris no matter what.

And likewise there are many who will critisise no matter what, only human nature to attack a party one didn't vote for. I remember reading a psychological report about the US government shutdown, how the democrat voters blamed the republicans and visa versa republican voters blamed the democrats. Not rocket science, Kelly Bundy could've worked that out.
Why do people like to play the blame game? Some do it to to feel better, some to feel superior and more important in themselves even though the blame is in retrospect.
Doesn't matter which party was in charge, outcome will still be the same, still got to emerge from the trenches yet, the virus will still be there, watching, waiting. So far from over.
Have to see how Brazil and Sweden fare with the herd immunity concept, are they right, or are they right, as Philip Marlowe would say.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...tain-get-its-response-to-coronavirus-so-wrongA long but interesting read, it covers alot of points made in this thread regardless of your political view point.

Is that also regardless of the Guardians political view point, it doesn't go without notice the democratic socialist countries who have also been caught with their pants down don't get a mention.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Just for the record I am a life long labour voter I have never and will never vote Conservative.

 

[foxy]

Just for the record I am a life long labour voter I have never and will never vote Conservative.

I know, I have a little black book, all those admitting to voting Labour are in it.

 

[samale]

And likewise there are many who will critisise no matter what, only human nature to attack a party one didn't vote for. I remember reading a psychological report about the US government shutdown, how the democrat voters blamed the republicans and visa versa republican voters blamed the democrats. Not rocket science, Kelly Bundy could've worked that out.
Why do people like to play the blame game? Some do it to to feel better, some to feel superior and more important in themselves even though the blame is in retrospect.
Doesn't matter which party was in charge, outcome will still be the same, still got to emerge from the trenches yet, the virus will still be there, watching, waiting. So far from over.
Have to see how Brazil and Sweden fare with the herd immunity concept, are they right, or are they right, as Philip Marlowe would say.


Is that also regardless of the Guardians political view point, it doesn't go without notice the democratic socialist countries who have also been caught with their pants down don't get a mention.

I enjoy reading different view points can you post a link to some info that you base your opinion on

 

[Rodcx500z]

I keep reading this thing about ppe being sent to china at the start of this pandemic, with hindsight it was probably the wrong to do, we are famous the world over for being helpful to nations in crisis so hitting someone with a big stick for helping their fellow man is wrong and 2 faced, i to was a labour voter all my life but i woke up when Blair was in charge, the last time i voted was 16-6-16 and when this is over 17.4 million will be prooved right, anyway enough of that i didn't vote for this goverment but they are doing no better and no worse than others

 

[Stephenj]

The thread was originally created to keep the tory hating BS out of the coronavirus thread (have a read of a few pages from the first post ) as it was pretty obvious from the start certain members were using the virus as an excuse to bash the tories.

That's my point again. The title of the thread is surely going to bring out criticism from laymen. If one don't want to read opinion on the Tories, then the title would allow them to steer clear.

 

[foxy]

I enjoy reading different view points can you post a link to some info that you base your opinion on

I read different view points, not enjoyably, media is either left or right wing so I take no notice of either, what opinion would you like.

 

[An Ankoù]

I keep reading this thing about ppe being sent to china at the start of this pandemic, with hindsight it was probably the wrong to do, we are famous the world over for being helpful to nations in crisis so hitting someone with a big stick for helping their fellow man is wrong and 2 faced, i to was a labour voter all my life but i woke up when Blair was in charge, the last time i voted was 16-6-16 and when this is over 17.4 million will be prooved right, anyway enough of that i didn't vote for this goverment but they are doing no better and no worse than others

Blair was never Labour, in my opinion. New Labour embraced a lot of Thatchers "reforms" too readily even if they were sugar-coated with a veneer of social awareness. Possibly a fair balance at the time, but centrists seem to drift to the right and it was only core Labour that put a break on that. In any case Blair was completely sold out and compromised by the time he stepped down. But then who do you vote for when it's a FPTP system rather than PR? I voted for Blair in the day.

 

[Rodcx500z]

I read different view points, not enjoyably, media is either left or right wing so I take no notice of either, what opinion would you like.

Well if you take no notice, why bother having an opinion,