Your views on how the Tories have handled Coronavirus.

[MyQul]

Today in the daily C-19 briefing Matt hancock announced that social care workers were to get a badge as a mark of appreciation (I'd rather have more money please. If you have an NHS badge you can get money off things like in restraunts. The care one does feck all). But announcing this this today is just more spin. We were actually given these badges back in March. There was a big box of them on the chocolate and biscuits table at work a few weeks ago. So I stuck one on my bag

 

[Chippy_Tea]

He has also announced where possible relatives will be allowed to visit family members at end of life.

 

[MyQul]

He has also announced where possible relatives will be allowed to visit family members at end of life.

This is good. Who wants to die alone?

 

[Dutto]

@Dutto We were all beginning to get a bit worried wondering where you were. But thankfully you've risen lazurus like, in a similar fashion to out glorious leader BJ. In fact, I was begining to wonder whether you were holed up in Chequers with him (naked swimming in the indoor pool?).

Anyway, Welcome back and time to get a brew on!

TBH even my addled brain can't cope with that image ...

... it sends a really bad shiver down my spine!

With regard to getting a brew on I'm afraid to even go in the shed!

The day before I went and broke my leg again I had dropped the temperature on a Coopers Europoean Lager down to 10*C to start a Cold Crash after fermenting it for about 11 days. I've just sent SWMBO out to check and it's still there at 10*C but ...

... I'll have to leave it at least another week before I even give it a sniff! Ah well. a lot of my brews are "By Guess And By God" so it looks like this one may be no different.

As indeed will the fact that SWMBO almost certainly failed to follow phoned instructions and has bled off all the available CO2 in the Sodastream Bottle! The clue was the combination of two real teeth grinding moments:

1. "The gas was escaping when I left it last night ...
2. ... but it's okay this morning 'cos it's stopped!"

This is good. Who wants to die alone?

Er .... me?

Actually, for the first time ever (after numerous operations over a period of 60 years) I had to answer the question "Do you want to be resuscitated if anything happens during the surgery?" I still have some kits left, so for me, it was a no-brainer and I replied "Of course I do, if I'm not going to live like a vegetable."

However, in the hospital they had this lad zooming around the wards organising Skype and other "visual phone calls" for the patients to call their nearest and dearest if they wanted; which is why I answered the @MyQul Post.

When I first went to sea, the only means of communiaation was a "Marconi Telegram" and they were horrendously expensive to send - so we didn't bother and "news" took at least three weeks to catch up with us.

I've not changed my mind since then.

Why should I phone somebody up to tell them I am dying if they can't do anything about it?

Why would I want my nearest and dearest come to see me dying; and then carry the memory of what I looked like for the rest of their life?

Sorry, but both SMWBO and I have both seen many people die in some pretty gruesome circumstances and one to the proudest memories of my own life is that I requested the Funeral Director to seal down the lid of my own Mum's coffin; so that no-one else would have to see the terrible havoc that death had wreaked on her body before she died.

I wouldn't wish that memory on anyone ...

... least of all, someone who I professed to love!

 

[MyQul]

TBH even my addled brain can't cope with that image ...

... it sends a really bad shiver down my spine!

With regard to getting a brew on I'm afraid to even go in the shed!

The day before I went and broke my leg again I had dropped the temperature on a Coopers Europoean Lager down to 10*C to start a Cold Crash after fermenting it for about 11 days. I've just sent SWMBO out to check and it's still there at 10*C but ...

... I'll have to leave it at least another week before I even give it a sniff! Ah well. a lot of my brews are "By Guess And By God" so it looks like this one may be no different.

As indeed will the fact that SWMBO almost certainly failed to follow phoned instructions and has bled off all the available CO2 in the Sodastream Bottle! The clue was the combination of two real teeth grinding moments:

1. "The gas was escaping when I left it last night ...
2. ... but it's okay this morning 'cos it's stopped!"

Er .... me?

Actually, for the first time ever (after numerous operations over a period of 60 years) I had to answer the question "Do you want to be resuscitated if anything happens during the surgery?" I still have some kits left, so for me, it was a no-brainer and I replied "Of course I do, if I'm not going to live like a vegetable."

However, in the hospital they had this lad zooming around the wards organising Skype and other "visual phone calls" for the patients to call their nearest and dearest if they wanted; which is why I answered the @MyQul Post.

When I first went to sea, the only means of communiaation was a "Marconi Telegram" and they were horrendously expensive to send - so we didn't bother and "news" took at least three weeks to catch up with us.

I've not changed my mind since then.

Why should I phone somebody up to tell them I am dying if they can't do anything about it?

Why would I want my nearest and dearest come to see me dying; and then carry the memory of what I looked like for the rest of their life?

Sorry, but both SMWBO and I have both seen many people die in some pretty gruesome circumstances and one to the proudest memories of my own life is that I requested the Funeral Director to seal down the lid of my own Mum's coffin; so that no-one else would have to see the terrible havoc that death had wreaked on her body before she died.

I wouldn't wish that memory on anyone ...

... least of all, someone who I professed to love!

You have a point Dutto. Perhaps it's better for people to remember you in your pomp rather than a wasted thing in a hospital bed

 

[Chippy_Tea]

I totally agree Dutto, when my Grandad was in hospital my mam asked if i wanted to visit i went and to this day wished i hadn't he looked awful and scared stiff i think he knew his time was up, the fear in his eyes has stayed with me all these years.

 

[pms67]

I totally agree Dutto, when my Grandad was in hospital my mam asked if i wanted to visit i went and to this day wished i hadn't he looked awful and scared stiff i think he knew his time was up, the fear in his eyes has stayed with me all these years.

I was there when my father in law passed with copd, gasping for every breath like a fish out of water.
I think about it all the time.

 

[MyQul]

Seems our slacker* in chief missed FIVE cobra meeting in succession. Wonder what he was up to? Every day their seems to be a story about Government incompetence over the coronavirus

"Michael Gove has conceded that Boris Johnson missed five consecutive emergency meetings in the buildup to the coronavirus crisis, and that the UK shipped protective equipment to China in February.

The government faced intense pressure on Sunday over its initial response the pandemic, as Labour accused Johnson of having been “missing in action” during the crucial weeks when the virus first arrived in the UK.

Gove initially insisted a Sunday Times story detailing failures during this period had numerous inaccuracies and would be corrected."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...eny-pm-missed-five-coronavirus-cobra-meetings


*"The Sunday Times quoted one unnamed senior adviser as saying Johnson “didn’t work weekends”, and “there was a real sense that he didn’t do urgent crisis planning”

 

[Rodcx500z]

Viruses don't care who works weekends or attends meetings, the outcome will be the same no matter who is in power having said that i am just grateful its not corbyn and abbott that would be like watching the keystone cops

 

[Cheshire Cat]

It's about detailed planning and urgent action. Boris is a lazy ******* with no attention to detail. Him and his government have completely mismanaged this crisis from day one. Even the right wing newspapers are now getting on board to criticise the mess. How can New Zealand and Germany get it so right and the U.K. So wrong. Answer leadership.

 

[An Ankoù]

It's about detailed planning and urgent action. Boris is a lazy ******* with no attention to detail. Him and his government have completely mismanaged this crisis from day one. Even the right wing newspapers are now getting on board to criticise the mess. How can New Zealand and Germany get it so right and the U.K. So wrong. Answer leadership.

Absolutely spot on. Anyone can be wrong footed by the onset of this virus, or make a wrong judgement, but that's al weeks ago now and still we can't believe what the likes of Gove, Hancock and the rest of this shower are saying because they're still in election campaign mode, they won't level with us and they are still not doing as much as they could. Point in case: the old duffer wandering round his garden pushing his zimmer frame and raising millions. He said "Here's a crisis, what can I do? I know I'll try and raise £1000." The fact that millions have been given (and I'm sure it won't be spent as the donors intended) shows that there's a whole population wanted to get organised and do their bit. But WHERE is the organisation?
You're right Cheshire Cat, it's about leadership. There ain't none.

When it comes to backs against the wall, the British public are among the best in the world at rising to the challenge. When it comes to deceit and mismanagement this present bunch of clowns have raised the bar by several notches.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Absolutely spot on. Anyone can be wrong footed by the onset of this virus, or make a wrong judgement, but that's al weeks ago now and still we can't believe what the likes of Gove, Hancock and the rest of this shower are saying because they're still in election campaign mode, they won't level with us and they are still not doing as much as they could.

So what are they not doing that they could lets have some facts instead of sweeping statements.

 

[trueblue]

It's about detailed planning and urgent action. Boris is a lazy ******* with no attention to detail. Him and his government have completely mismanaged this crisis from day one. Even the right wing newspapers are now getting on board to criticise the mess. How can New Zealand and Germany get it so right and the U.K. So wrong. Answer leadership.

So so right this PM is so out of his depth now he is in the big job. He is discovering you can not run a country on soundbites alone and his team around him are not much better. Not sure if Corbyn would been any better as bull sh!t is a general politicians trait. Why are countries like Germany doing better because they have more competent politicians

 

[Chippy_Tea]

So so right this PM is so out of his depth now he is in the big job. He is discovering you can not run a country on soundbites alone and his team around him are not much better. Not sure if Corbyn would been any better as bull sh!t is a general politicians trait. Why are countries like Germany doing better because they have more competent politicians

And another sweeping statement, ignore the fact they didn't stockpile millions of ponds of PPE (and they were not the only government to do that) what are they doing wrong and what should they be doing to change it.

 

[An Ankoù]

So so right this PM is so out of his depth now he is in the big job. He is discovering you can not run a country on soundbites alone and his team around him are not much better. Not sure if Corbyn would been any better as bull sh!t is a general politicians trait. Why are countries like Germany doing better because they have more competent politicians

True, true and possibly. Corbyn didn't win so we can't blame him. We can only speculate on how well or otherwise he might have done and it detracts from the issue which is "what are we doing about it and what are we going to do about it" rather than what might someone else have done about it.

 

[terrym]

Boris is a lazy ******* with no attention to detail.

You obviously know him in person and can therefore make that statement in full confidence that it is correct.
Clearly not something you just wrote down because you don't like him or his politics.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

We can only speculate on how well or otherwise he might have done and it detracts from the issue which is "what are we doing about it and what are we going to do about it" rather than what might someone else have done about it.

Well said.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Clearly not something you just wrote down because you don't like him or his politics.

I agree Terry.

If members are going to slag the government for what they haven't done lets also have your views on what they should have done as this tory bashing by their haters is getting a little old.

 

[An Ankoù]

So what are they not doing that they could lets have some facts instead of sweeping statements.

Ok. They could start to instill confidence for starters. Instead of avoiding questions and repeating the same old soundbites, they could tell the truth and be honest. How many times have we heard, we'll have x-number of testing kits in a few weeks. A few weeks later we learn we haven't got them and we were ripped off over some dodgy ones. Has anybody put there hand up and said "sorry that was me. In a bit of a hurry wasn't I? Now this is what's going to happen." The debacle over EU ventilators: we now know the Gov't had many opportunities to put in their bid, but just didn't reply. Do we know why? Will they admit it? Do we know when these 18K ventilators will be ready and where from. Why don't we. Why are there soldiers hanging around in this old veterans garden? If they've nothing to do, why aren;t they helping out on the streets? Helping the police to make people behave sensible in the parks etc etc? When, oh when, will those who can be allowed to help make PPE for front line workers. It doesn't matter if they're not B.S. Standard nuclear attack-proof quality. A home-made gown which is only 75% effective is infinitely better than no gown at all and the people who stitched it up can be proud to know they've done their bit. Shall I go on, or have you got my drift? There's no organisation, no vision, no trust in the ordinary folk and no TRUTH. The British people deserve better than this.
No they don't. They voted for them.

 

[An Ankoù]

I agree Terry.

If members are going to slag the government for what they haven't done lets also have your views on what they should have done as this tory bashing by their haters is getting a little old.

It's gone beyond Tory Bashing. It's time to put aside party politics in the present crisis. They are there and they are not doing their job. Whether that's because they're Tories, I don't know. I suspect it's because they are just rotten people irrespective of their political affiliation. But we're stuck with them. We pay their wages and we have a right and a duty to hold them to account. Enough of this servile deference.