What's your opinion on Grolsch?

[jonewer]

For the most part everyone on here is fairly open minded with what other people chose to do, people take part in a positive way with most threads. There is a very obvious disrespect towards commercial drinks and people who want to brew them. This disrespect isn't, as Aleman said, brought about because they are difficult to make and mastering the process would take ages to get right.... it seems to stem from a slight jealousy of success and disdain due to other brewers being cornered out. This disdain for those styles brings about a very disrespectful tone when referencing these drinks and people that enjoy them, not on a personal nature... as in not "you like tennants so you must be a girl" type of thing... but more along the lines of what you said, telling people they are making "tramp juice". It's just an unfair bias that I've noticed on this site towards styles.... not individuals.

Erm no. It stems from not liking their products. In very much the same way I dislike anything that is mass produced to appeal to the widest possible market. In very much the same way I dislike TESCO ready meals in favour of home cooked food.

Sure TESCO needs, demands, and receives absolute consistency of raw material from its suppliers and sure it has an equipment and HR budget that compared to mine is virtually infinite, sure they may produce lasagnes that taste exactly the same, batch of batch after batch, but that doesnt mean I like their lasagne nor does it mean I wish to re-create it at home.

If you like TESCO lasagne, fine. If you like Fosters or Grolsch or Magners, fine. I dont. I regard them as inferior and I do so not because I am jealous of TESCO or SAB-Miller but because I find their products to be bland, unappealing, and generally lacking in merit.

 

[ScottM]

Erm no. It stems from not liking their products. In very much the same way I dislike anything that is mass produced to appeal to the widest possible market. In very much the same way I dislike TESCO ready meals in favour of home cooked food.

Sure TESCO needs, demands, and receives absolute consistency of raw material from its suppliers and sure it has an equipment and HR budget that compared to mine is virtually infinite, sure they may produce lasagnes that taste exactly the same, batch of batch after batch, but that doesnt mean I like their lasagne nor does it mean I wish to re-create it at home.

If you like TESCO lasagne, fine. If you like Fosters or Grolsch or Magners, fine. I dont. I regard them as inferior and I do so not because I am jealous of TESCO or SAB-Miller but because I find their products to be bland, unappealing, and generally lacking in merit.

Thats your choice and your reasons for your choice, fully respect that. You're fine with my decision to brew what I like though and don't feel the need to belittle my choice and preference so that's fine with me

 

[pittsy]

phew , i'm glad that's over :?

 

[alawlor66430]

phew , i'm glad that's over :?

Me to actually I don't like to see my brewing brothers fall out lol (or nearly fall out)

 

[ScottM]

More chance of falling over

 

[BIGJIM72]

Maybe it's time to close this thread.....
The great thing about this forum is that it brings folk together-from the rank amateur to the serious pro.We all have different tastes & skill levels but we all have a common aim-to produce a decent brew.

Scot-I am not digging out lager drinkers (again I agree with a previous post about just how hard it it to produce). My opinion on a lot of commercial brews is the same-could be so much better.
I feel that if the current trend in the brewing industry to reduce the ABV of their beers for lowering tax/duty payments continues (FFS Skol is now 2.8%,why bother) then there will be a lot more lager related threads on here-i.e. how do I make Stella like it was in the old days before they dropped it to 4.8% etc.
At this conjecture I would like to point out a personal bugbear-IT'S LAGER NOT LARGER.If you want to talk about it please spell it right!
Do I drink lager? Yes,but only if it's stinking hot outside.Rather have a pint of me own than most commercial beers.
Be happy Scott-life is just too fecking short.(Again with the internet thing-this comment is not meant to sound patronising or condescending,please don't take it that way as that wasn't the intention)

 

[ScottM]

Maybe it's time to close this thread.....
The great thing about this forum is that it brings folk together-from the rank amateur to the serious pro.We all have different tastes & skill levels but we all have a common aim-to produce a decent brew.

Scot-I am not digging out lager drinkers (again I agree with a previous post about just how hard it it to produce). My opinion on a lot of commercial brews is the same-could be so much better.
I feel that if the current trend in the brewing industry to reduce the ABV of their beers for lowering tax/duty payments continues (FFS Skol is now 2.8%,why bother) then there will be a lot more lager related threads on here-i.e. how do I make Stella like it was in the old days before they dropped it to 4.8% etc.
At this conjecture I would like to point out a personal bugbear-IT'S LAGER NOT LARGER.If you want to talk about it please spell it right!
Do I drink lager? Yes,but only if it's stinking hot outside.Rather have a pint of me own than most commercial beers.
Be happy Scott-life is just too fecking short.(Again with the internet thing-this comment is not meant to sound patronising or condescending,please don't take it that way as that wasn't the intention)

Yeah I'm with you on that. I can understand the need to lower the ABVs, as there are a LOT of unresponsible drinkers out there. Everytime I am in the pub they are there in their droves and often trouble starts. Now don't get me wrong, I fill my boots, but some people just don't know when to stop. I think it's the pubs, rightly, requesting the lower ABVs in the hope that they will finish their drinking, or hit closing time, before anything happens. Most likely pissing in the wind though as people are people regardless.

I'm all for people drinking/making/discussing what they wish. It's just the belittling of people who want to make these styles that I'm bringing up. It's a running trend in the threads of that ilk, like I've said, which takes a little away for me as this is the styles that I am interested in making as well. I'm genuinely interested in the whole forum and the whole aspect of brewing though, even if I don't plan to brew certain styles or in certain ways (AG). I ask questions when I don't understand a process or a reasoning for doing something. I wouldn't belittle anyone for wanting to brew a, b or c though, I would simply try to help them out if I could.

Your reply, and most in this thread, aren't the sort of comments that I am referring to. I'm fine with people hating lager, hating the commercial industry (in general) and hating whatever they chose, their opinions are their own and people are wholely entitled to them. My point is that just because you don't like something doesn't mean you are entitled to belittle the people (I use "the people" as a general statement, I do not mean individually) who do, a minority of people on here consistantly do so... and the majority don't notice it's happening :)

My point has been made in that respect and I'm satisfied that even if people haven't noticed it in the past (possibly not even noticed doing it), if they have been part of this thread, they may just see what I mean in the future.


Now.... what do you think of Grolsch? Tried a bottle lately?

 

[james1988]

Personally, I'm not a fan. I used to be a Stella drinker until I found real ale (around 19ish so about a year of legal drinking). Nowadays I can't get on with that either so if there isn't ale on tap or 'real' lager - for lack of a better description - I tend to stick to Kronenburg but at £2.70 a pint in my local, I can't justify that either.

Which brings me onto a question that I've yet to have answered: how can I brew a beer that's close to Kronenburg Blanc? I've been trying to find a recipe for years but remain unsuccessful. It's far more citrusy than any witbier I've tried. If anybody can point me in the right direction, I'd be extremely happy!

James

 

[ScottM]

Personally, I'm not a fan. I used to be a Stella drinker until I found real ale (around 19ish so about a year of legal drinking). Nowadays I can't get on with that either so if there isn't ale on tap or 'real' lager - for lack of a better description - I tend to stick to Kronenburg but at £2.70 a pint in my local, I can't justify that either.

Which brings me onto a question that I've yet to have answered: how can I brew a beer that's close to Kronenburg Blanc? I've been trying to find a recipe for years but remain unsuccessful. It's far more citrusy than any witbier I've tried. If anybody can point me in the right direction, I'd be extremely happy!

James

2.70 is cheap for kronenbourg imo, certainly compared to what they charge here lol. Blanc is lovely stuff, if you find a recipe be sure to post it. I had a look last year with no success. Most people don't even know what it is unfortunately.

 

[Cononthebarber]

Wow that was a slog to read through! Basically we ended up where we started...we all have opinions and as long as we get them across without being massive twats then its all good? :lol:

I really like a nice cold grolsch on a hot day from a bottle, decent lager and lots of hops :thumb: I do prefer Heineken from bottles though and would go for that every time given the choice...

I really don't like Grolsch from draught or can though, it almost has a metallic sort of aftertaste to me? Not good...

 

[ScottM]

Wow that was a slog to read through! Basically we ended up where we started...we all have opinions and as long as we get them across without being massive twats then its all good? :lol:

I really like a nice cold grolsch on a hot day from a bottle, decent lager and lots of hops :thumb: I do prefer Heineken from bottles though and would go for that every time given the choice...

I really don't like Grolsch from draught or can though, it almost has a metallic sort of aftertaste to me? Not good...

Na you can be a **** if you like, as long as you're consistent across the board lol.

I'll need to give Heineken another go then. I'm fairly certain I went through all these lagers when I was younger but dismissed them all.... as I hadn't found a taste for the stuff at that point.

Its only the bottled grolsch that I've given a fair crack so far. Metallic taste is normally the pipes though, is it not? Or was that a few tries at it?

 

[anthonyUK]

Sorry if I upset anyone of a sensitive nature with respect to cans but is there any beer that tastes good from a can?

 

[ScottM]

Sorry if I upset anyone of a sensitive nature with respect to cans but is there any beer that tastes good from a can?

I've not tried one where it's close to being on par with draught, or even bottle. If I like the beer, once poured into a glass, they are generally OK.

Not sure what the reason is for that though, they don't even seem to have the same body when out of a can :hmm:

 

[Stu]

Sorry if I upset anyone of a sensitive nature with respect to cans but is there any beer that tastes good from a can?

Sapporo is nice.

 

[JimmyB78]

I'll need to give Heineken another go then. I'm fairly certain I went through all these lagers when I was younger but dismissed them all.... as I hadn't found a taste for the stuff at that point.

Heineken changed back to the original authentic Dutch brewed version around 2005 I think. Previously it'd been brewed under license by whitbread and tasted nothing like the proper Dutch version. So probably worth another go.

 

[ScottM]

I'll need to give Heineken another go then. I'm fairly certain I went through all these lagers when I was younger but dismissed them all.... as I hadn't found a taste for the stuff at that point.

Heineken changed back to the original authentic Dutch brewed version around 2005 I think. Previously it'd been brewed under license by whitbread and tasted nothing like the proper Dutch version. So probably worth another go.

Best out the bottle I guess?

 

[anthonyUK]

Sorry if I upset anyone of a sensitive nature with respect to cans but is there any beer that tastes good from a can?

Sapporo is nice.

Better than in a bottle?

 

[Stu]

Sorry if I upset anyone of a sensitive nature with respect to cans but is there any beer that tastes good from a can?

Sapporo is nice.

Better than in a bottle?

Of course not, but that wasn't the question

 

[JimmyB78]

I'll need to give Heineken another go then. I'm fairly certain I went through all these lagers when I was younger but dismissed them all.... as I hadn't found a taste for the stuff at that point.

Heineken changed back to the original authentic Dutch brewed version around 2005 I think. Previously it'd been brewed under license by whitbread and tasted nothing like the proper Dutch version. So probably worth another go.

Best out the bottle I guess?

Yep, though seem to remember the cans weren't too bad either.

 

[critch]

Sorry if I upset anyone of a sensitive nature with respect to cans but is there any beer that tastes good from a can?

yes.

heres lots.http://www.craftcans.com/

calderra, maui, seirra nevada, red fox, cigar city are amongst brands ive tried and enjoyed,ive no idea why eurobreweries cannot do what many small to medium sized american outfits do, ie produce good quality canned beers(i have never tried as the canning line equipment is attrociously expensive and the underlying attitude about cans is poor here in the uk

btw im not a fan of grolsch,(although it is better than carling!)