What's your opinion on Grolsch?

[alanywiseman.]

I think you may be taking things a little personally Scott. If I was asked my opinion on some berwerys I would say that there beers is crap. For example Badger Brewery, I think the beers are unbalance and seem syrupy in mouthfeel. This is far from what I like and like I said if asked my opinion by someone I would just say 'its crap'. This is not insulting the person that drinks but is infact a statment about the beer.

 

[jonewer]

Or even (as that is what I find myself drinking now ) 'Budweiser' :shock:

Who are you and what have you done with Aleman?

 

[graysalchemy]

[quote="ScottM"
Effectively it's for kids and not a "real lager". If that's not an insult to people who enjoy this lager I don't know what is.[/quote]

Scott that is obviously aimed at me. I did not once say that larger is for kids I said.

You have asked the question

What's your opinion on Grolsch?

And I said

Something I used to drink back in 1986 when I was at school.

Grown up since then :lol: :lol:

I gave you a quick answer to what what was to me someone canvasing opinions to a particular drink, one which I am not fond of and haven't drunk for nearly 30 years. Not long after my 17th birthday I started drinking Guinness which I did probably for the next 20 odd yrs I never really drunk lager since. My tastes have matured /changed thats all. I have never said that lager is a kids drink, and in actual fact as Aleman has pointed out brewing lager is not easy.

 

[adrianmole72]

Or even (as that is what I find myself drinking now ) 'Budweiser' :shock:

I don't mind Budweiser myself.... AND I don't like Thornbridge Jaipur, but it is mega popular ! Vive le difference, eh ?

Stephen

 

[calumscott]

Come on, seriously? I'm having to go round in circles and re-type things every time I reply here.

I'm fine with the opinions on the Grolsch, negative or positive... that's what I asked for.

Here we go again....

It's the snidey negative remarks to this style/type of beverage that I'm taking offence to.

Effectively it's for kids and not a "real lager". If that's not an insult to people who enjoy this lager I don't know what is.

I'll say it again, it's not the insult to the lager that I am annoyed with... it's the insults made to the people who enjoy it.

If that doesn't make sense then I really am pissing in the wind.

In one thread/topic it wouldn't be a big deal. As it's in just about every lager/commercial drink thread on the forum IMO it's an institutionalised disrespectful problem with some members.

Aren't they the respondents' opinions of the lager then? That it's not "real" lager and it's consumed by younger drinkers, possibly those under age...?

No one has, unless I'm very much mistaken or have missed something that's been edited or deleted, taken a pop at you or called you anything nasty for liking a grolsch.

GA believes that he has grown up since he drank them.
pittsy thinks its sh*t and thinks you should try some others which he believes you'll like even more
PD says its "too fizzy" and "only so so"

Grolsch itself has been panned. YOU have not. If you are inferring that because the beer you like got panned that it's a personal slight on you then I'm sorry you feel like that, but with the exception of pittsy's reply which did sound a little curt but which was subsequently clarified and accepted as not being a slight against you, I see nothing that isn't a negative opinion about the beer and the beer alone. Sorry.

 

[ScottM]

I think you may be taking things a little personally Scott. If I was asked my opinion on some berwerys I would say that there beers is crap. For example Badger Brewery, I think the beers are unbalance and seem syrupy in mouthfeel. This is far from what I like and like I said if asked my opinion by someone I would just say 'its crap'. This is not insulting the person that drinks but is infact a statment about the beer.

Oh I'm not taking it personally, sorry if it comes across that way. I'm just trying to make a point about how certain people are treated in general. I'm fairly thick skinned so don't worry about insulting me

I'll use your point to re-emphisise my point. As you say, you think their beer is crap... that's fine. But, what if you said their beer is crap, anyone who drinks it is an ****hole.

That's what happens with the topics I'm talking about. Ok, not to that extent, but I just wanted to highlight my point

 

[calumscott]

Badger Brewery, I think the beers are unbalance and seem syrupy in mouthfeel.

Kindred spirit. I'm impressed you got as far as working out what it was that you didn't like... I stopped at "Eurgh, that's crap!" and haven't been back since... :lol:

 

[ScottM]

I gave you a quick answer to what what was to me someone canvasing opinions to a particular drink, one which I am not fond of and haven't drunk for nearly 30 years. Not long after my 17th birthday I started drinking Guinness which I did probably for the next 20 odd yrs I never really drunk lager since. My tastes have matured /changed thats all. I have never said that lager is a kids drink, and in actual fact as Aleman has pointed out brewing lager is not easy.

I know fine well what you said GA. And as much as I would love to say catagorically your reasons for saying it, unfortunatly I can't. I can only state my opinion on what you were inferring when you said it.

Let me clarify by giving my reasons why.

"Something I used to drink back in 1986 when I was at school."

Fine, absolutely nothing wrong with that...


"Grown up since then :lol: :lol: "

Why make the above statement? It doesn't add anything to your previous statement. It doesn't bring anything at all to the thread or your point. To me you deliberately said it to infer that people who drink grolsch aren't "grown up". The lol's just show that you were having a laugh when you made the statement, just having a little dig. And, by the way, that's fine... it's typical of this forum. I was merely showing this as the type of thing that is said day in day out on here against people with certain likes/choices/interests.

I'm cynical, it's not an age thing... it's my nature. But there is logic in my madness.

 

[jonewer]

For example Badger Brewery, I think the beers are unbalance and seem syrupy in mouthfeel.

Seconded. I also dont like Marstons, which always has a certain sickly vanilla taste.

 

[ScottM]

Come on, seriously? I'm having to go round in circles and re-type things every time I reply here.

I'm fine with the opinions on the Grolsch, negative or positive... that's what I asked for.

Here we go again....

It's the snidey negative remarks to this style/type of beverage that I'm taking offence to.

Effectively it's for kids and not a "real lager". If that's not an insult to people who enjoy this lager I don't know what is.

I'll say it again, it's not the insult to the lager that I am annoyed with... it's the insults made to the people who enjoy it.

If that doesn't make sense then I really am pissing in the wind.

In one thread/topic it wouldn't be a big deal. As it's in just about every lager/commercial drink thread on the forum IMO it's an institutionalised disrespectful problem with some members.

Aren't they the respondents' opinions of the lager then? That it's not "real" lager and it's consumed by younger drinkers, possibly those under age...?

I'm at the point now where I think you see exactly where I'm coming from and you just want to stand against my reasoning, so there really is no point in responding to that.

Under agers drinking £2.00 per bottle Grolsch lager lmao. I guess they save up the lids for their trainers though.

 

[adrianmole72]

I guess they save up the lids for their trainers though.

Yes, I'm also saving them for the inevitable Bros comeback gigs !

 

[alanywiseman.]

I'll use your point to re-emphisise my point. As you say, you think their beer is crap... that's fine. But, what if you said their beer is crap, anyone who drinks it is an ****hole.

That's what happens with the topics I'm talking about. Ok, not to that extent, but I just wanted to highlight my point

If you could quote the people that amde a statment like that then I will agree with you Scott but I have not seen that in this thread. GAs comment 'Grown up since then', or whatever it was, it about his own personel taste and how his palate has changed.

I used to hate mushroom soup as a kid but have grown up since then (and enjoy it A LOT). I am not saying that if you dislike mushroom soup you are childish or whatever, am I?

 

[jonewer]

Scott, there is certainly some truth in lager in general being a younger drink that many people move away from as they grow up. When teenagers start drinking beer, they naturally start with something cold and fizzy as they are used to drinking cold and fizzy soft drinks and find the concept of drinking something thats flat and at room temp to be somewhat alien.

Same with wine - most youngsters would prefer a sweet white wine to an aged Cabernet. Or whisky - Bourbon vs Well peated scotch. Or cider - Magners vs a real west country cider.

Certainly doesnt mean that people who continue to drink lager or sweet whites or bourbon are somehow peurile, but most people would recognise that theres a truth in saying that some drinks reflect a maturity of taste that others do not. Therefore GA's comment is perfectly understandable.

 

[calumscott]

I'm at the point now where I think you see exactly where I'm coming from and you just want to stand against my reasoning, so there really is no point in responding to that.

I do see EXACTLY where you're coming from but I disagree, that's all.

Under agers drinking £2.00 per bottle Grolsch lager lmao. I guess they save up the lids for their trainers though.

Seriously, when we were kids grolsch was what you drank. For the flip tops. For your trainers. And the fact that you could reseal and stash your bottle if you got rumbled...

 

[graysalchemy]

To me you deliberately said it to infer that people who drink grolsch aren't "grown up".

That is your opinion but as I have said that is not how it was intended. As I have said my taste in beer has changed as I have got older, grolsch is something I associate with my youth. Perhaps I should have said I have got older since then. Would that have been less offensive

Reading other peoples comments above I think other people seem to have got what I was trying to convey.

 

[ScottM]

I'll use your point to re-emphisise my point. As you say, you think their beer is crap... that's fine. But, what if you said their beer is crap, anyone who drinks it is an ****hole.

That's what happens with the topics I'm talking about. Ok, not to that extent, but I just wanted to highlight my point

If you could quote the people that amde a statment like that then I will agree with you Scott but I have not seen that in this thread. GAs comment 'Grown up since then', or whatever it was, it about his own personel taste and how his palate has changed.

I used to hate mushroom soup as a kid but have grown up since then (and enjoy it A LOT). I am not saying that if you dislike mushroom soup you are childish or whatever, am I?

If the comments weren't just sly snipes and were just full blown insults then I believe that would be crossing the line, even in an individual basis.

I know how the comments can be read, and assuming GA was the type of person not to try to give a fly comment, they can be taken as you said.

He was being cheeky imo, as was I in my reply. I don't have a problem with the cheeky comment being directed at me... regardless of how you see it. The point I raised, and seem to have to continually bring up, is that it's constant, and focused towards the same niche on the forum.

When GA said what he did I immediately thought here we go, I replied in a cheeky fashion though... shrugging off what I saw as an implied cheeky dig. Next up came another pop by insinuating grolsch wasn't a real lager.... here we go again. Didn't take long.

So, my post was made and I brought up my annoyance on how just about every thread on this sort of topic bring about the same schnide comments. I added that certain styles of cider brought about the same treatment. I pointed out that in both cases the drinkers/enjoyers of those beverages continually had their maturity/gender/social standing/palate/etc constantly referenced along with the negative comments towards the actual beverage itself.


Apparently this is all a figment of my imagination though.

 

[ScottM]

To me you deliberately said it to infer that people who drink grolsch aren't "grown up".

That is your opinion but as I have said that is not how it was intended. As I have said my taste in beer has changed as I have got older, grolsch is something I associate with my youth. Perhaps I should have said I have got older since then. Would that have been less offensive

Reading other peoples comments above I think other people seem to have got what I was trying to convey.

It makes no odds to me, honestly... I didn't take any real offence to the individual comment, I thought you were just being your usual self, so whether you were having a dig or not doesn't matter to me personally. Although I'm a little disappointed it wasn't a dig if I'm honest, shows you're slipping.

I'm only using it, and what I took from it, as an example of the sort of thing that is implied in a fairly constant basis.

 

[calumscott]

Apparently this is all a figment of my imagination though.

Not "all". Some ciders are likened to "tramp juice". Some lagers are belittled for not being "real" beer (struggling to recall any ad-hominems though).

What I think might be a figment of your imagination though, is the notion that somehow "they're out to get you".

Anyway, the fact remains that personal abuse of any kind on THBF is outlawed and I know I've only been in the job a week but if I see it from anyone I won't hesitate to use my new shiny red button regardless of the rank, history or "standing" of the perpetrator (although I doubt very much if I could nuke an Admin... :lol: ).

So, if we all don't mind, given that there isn't any form of personal abuse whatsoever, even if there is a lot of denigration of a beer you like, move on, grab a bottle (after work if you're not PD sitting in his malty fug with a glass in his mitt) and have a beer?

Please?

 

[ScottM]

Apparently this is all a figment of my imagination though.

Not "all". Some ciders are likened to "tramp juice". Some lagers are belittled for not being "real" beer (struggling to recall any ad-hominems though).

What I think might be a figment of your imagination though, is the notion that somehow "they're out to get you".

Anyway, the fact remains that personal abuse of any kind on THBF is outlawed and I know I've only been in the job a week but if I see it from anyone I won't hesitate to use my new shiny red button regardless of the rank, history or "standing" of the perpetrator (although I doubt very much if I could nuke an Admin... :lol: ).

So, if we all don't mind, given that there isn't any form of personal abuse whatsoever, even if there is a lot of denigration of a beer you like, move on, grab a bottle (after work if you're not PD sitting in his malty fug with a glass in his mitt) and have a beer?

Please?

Ahahh, the penny drops.

I can now see what you are digging at earlier. No, my point isn't personal abuse. I don't think it's personal or that anyone is out to get me lol.

My point is in regards to respect of other peoples choices/likes/dislikes.

For the most part everyone on here is fairly open minded with what other people chose to do, people take part in a positive way with most threads. There is a very obvious disrespect towards commercial drinks and people who want to brew them. This disrespect isn't, as Aleman said, brought about because they are difficult to make and mastering the process would take ages to get right.... it seems to stem from a slight jealousy of success and disdain due to other brewers being cornered out. This disdain for those styles brings about a very disrespectful tone when referencing these drinks and people that enjoy them, not on a personal nature... as in not "you like tennants so you must be a girl" type of thing... but more along the lines of what you said, telling people they are making "tramp juice". It's just an unfair bias that I've noticed on this site towards styles.... not individuals.

 

[ScottM]

BTW I know things don't come across well on the ole t'internet but I'm really not taking any of this badly in any way, I'm sorry if it's coming across like a hissy fit but it's really not. I got annoyed earlier in the thread and decided to post up my thoughts on what I had noticed with regards to negativity and disdain towards us lager/fizzy cider folks.

I wasn't making out that people were out to get me, need to reference GA and pittsy here, those guys just brought to my attention exactly what I posted about.

I was making a point, and my point came into question... thus leading to the discussion. I have treated it as a discussion througout this thread so please don't think I am accusing anyone of being personal in any way, I've used personal quotes to make my point but I in no way see these quotes as being personal attacks on me in any way shape or form.

There is a lack of respect towards commercial lager and people who want to brew these styles feel the wrath of this lack of respect. It's shown in replies, not in a personal nature towards the op but in a general nature towards the style/breweries. A bit of mutual respect shown between all homebrewers regardless of style is what I would like to see more of, pissing into the wind, again, I may be... but it was the point I was making :)