Veganuary.

[Clint]

M do you buy your veg from supermarket chain or traditional market or smaller trader?
What sort of weekly menu are you making?

 

[nige]

Milk and leaves have feelings to man... That why Im omnivorous, only because I can't afford to live off crispy lamb chops. I would sacrifice all the round bits for just crispy ends.

 

[MyQul]

M do you buy your veg from supermarket chain or traditional market or smaller trader?
What sort of weekly menu are you making?

I eat a whole food vegan diet (just because your vegan doesnt automatically make you healthy. I could live on donuts and still be vegan.Plus I gave up sugar and 80% of processed food has sugar in it) I buy it all from ASDA on the old kent road which is just around the corner from me. Veg I buy frozen mostly. I most eat soups and stews (cuz their easy to make and I'm crap at cooking). For startchy carbs I mostly eat spuds, porridge and pearl barley (I aint pedaling 100+ miles a week on a couple of sticks of broccoli)

 

[kelper]

They'd eat it if they were starving to death...

Daft argument. You would eat vegetables to stay alive if you could find no meat or were too squeamish to slaughter and butcher your own meat.

I'm an omnivore, but to suggest that most vegans are just following a fad is pretty patronising. It's like years ago when the church told us that homosexuality was a choice.

 

[DavidDetroit]

The first time I saw an overweight vegetarian, I wondered how that was even possible; I only ever thought greens and tofu and things like that.
The answer: Delicious, animal-free donuts! Potatoes and corn, in abundance, will get you there as well.

 

[Clint]

M...do you like curries and the like? I think there's a big misconception with some foods in that they're bland or boring or unusual.
There really isn't anything I won't eat or try and I'll have a go at cooking anything too!

 

[strange-steve]

So we agree. Getting enough protein and building muscle on a vegan diet is not impossible

Nice strawman there, I think you've purposefully missed my point

 

[nige]

Hope they don't drink beer, murdering all the little defencless yeasties.... No seriously I saw a vegan once through my binoculars.

 

[MyQul]

Nice strawman there, I think you've purposefully missed my point

Perhaps not so purposefully. I understood your point to be that it's harder (and perhaps more expensive) to build muscle on a vegan diet?

 

[MyQul]

M...do you like curries and the like? I think there's a big misconception with some foods in that they're bland or boring or unusual.
There really isn't anything I won't eat or try and I'll have a go at cooking anything too!

I love a curry. It's just lazyness me not making one. I recon if I can make beer I can make a curry. I just need to get my arse in gear

 

[DavidHatton]

The Vegan Butcher. That's a great name for veggie food products...but then some soppy tree hugger would find it inhumane to be butchering a load of Maris pipers or a free range cabbage...

I know, the worst part of butcher spuds is cutting the eyes out..

 

[MyQul]

Hope they don't drink beer, murdering all the little defencless yeasties.... No seriously I saw a vegan once through my binoculars.

You sure it wasnt your beer goggles?

 

[An Ankoù]

Years and years ago I worked with a self-styled vegan who would only drink certain brands of lager as he believed that yeast wasn't kosher. Never got to the bottom of this, but it was something about Marmite being the same colour as Bovril.

 

[nige]

Ha, well yes now you mention it.

 

[DavidHatton]

Not bodybuilding specifically but anyone who wants to get bigger or stronger, which if you've been in a gym recently seems to be a lot of people. Anyway, my point was not that it's impossible but simply that for certain people a vegan diet makes it considerably more difficult or expensive to get enough protein.

I used to be a powerlifter many years ago, there is no doubt in my mind eating animal/fish proteins, will always make you bigger and stronger than a non animal diet, strength gains and bulk wise.

 

[DavidDetroit]

Just to contrast my other post with the giant piece of beef, here are some thinly sliced, organic apples with only cinnamon baked at 225°F for more than two hours and some vegan? beer. Didn't want to appear partial because I'm not and I also don't care what anybody eats/drinks. Except for anchovies.

 

[strange-steve]

Perhaps not so purposefully. I understood your point to be that it's harder (and perhaps more expensive) to build muscle on a vegan diet?

Ah OK, I wasn't sure cos it seemed like you were arguing against it being impossible.

 

[nige]

Nice trophies Dave

 

[kelper]

The Jewish and Arabic dietary rules are very similar and remarkably prescient. They learnt that undercooked pork, shellfish and bottom-scavenging fish could cause food-borne illness. The Kosher rules for food storage and separation were based on knowledge, not superstition. And I'm a staunch Atheist.

 

[MyQul]

Ah OK, I wasn't sure cos it seemed like you were arguing against it being impossible.

Building muscle isnt an area I'm that familiar as it's not something I'm particularly interested in (Im more interested in endurance i.e. cycling). So I would never say it's impossible as I simply dont know enough about the subject. My main overarching point is it's perfectly possible to get enough protein for the average active person from a vegan diet.

You still havent told me what on earth vegan gains are