The Coronavirus thread.

[kelper]

Although I have no support for nationalism I think Sturgeon has shown the leadership that Boris hasn't.

I live in Scotland but do not support independence, but Sturgeon is doing a good job and nationalism is rising here as it is everywhere that has politicians like Trump, Boris and Putin.

 

[trueblue]

I live in Scotland but do not support independence, but Sturgeon is doing a good job and nationalism is rising here as it is everywhere that has politicians like Trump, Boris and Putin.

The trouble with opposing Putin is you could end up sampling the delights of Siberia.

 

[Northern_Brewer]

Although I have no support for nationalism I think Sturgeon has shown the leadership that Boris hasn't.

Really? Or is she just doing a better job of distracting from the facts?

(source ECDC)

 

[Northern_Brewer]

NICE have issued a brief report on taking vitamin D for Covid.

TLDR - whilst it's important to take it for bone health if you're not getting outside enough during lockdown, there's no evidence to suggest it helps with Covid. The only studies done so far are not of great quality and any benefit from vitamin D appears to disappear once you adjust for age, obesity etc - I guess old fat blokes who are unhealthy in other ways, tend not to be interested in popping vitamin pills.

 

[Shirley Bassett]

Similarly I live in Scotland, but have no desire for nationalism in Scotland. However, I do agree that Sturgeon is a far better orator that Boris. It’s quite ludicrous when you hear him refer to a whack a mole (5 years olds game) approach to keeping the virus down.

I see that Scotland hasn’t had any reported Covid positive deaths for 4 days on the bounce. Todays lunchtime figure also reported that there 452 people in hospital with either positive or suspected Covid, of which only 5 Covid positive and 5 suspected are in intensive care.

 

[Old Geezer]

If I chucked a handful of vitamin D or multivitamin tabs in my next brew would that give me a good excuse for drinking a few pints for breakfast?

I could call it my medicinal and anti covid health drink.

Or how about prune juice and syrup of figs

 

[Northern_Brewer]

It’s quite ludicrous when you hear him refer to a whack a mole (5 years olds game) approach to keeping the virus down.

Oh come off it, I'm no fan of Johnson but it's a common enough metaphor - the Washington Post did a whole article on previous uses after Obama used it in reference to ISIS. Would you say it's ludicrously childish to talk about skipping lunch? Losing your marbles?

I see that Scotland hasn’t had any reported Covid positive deaths for 4 days on the bounce. Todays lunchtime figure also reported that there 452 people in hospital with either positive or suspected Covid, of which only 5 Covid positive and 5 suspected are in intensive care.

Depends a bit on the rigour of the testing regime of course, but we're getting to that stage across the UK where large areas are starting to report low/no deaths at times, with so few deaths generally they're bound to be becoming patchy.

But if you look at things overall, Scotland is indistinguishable from the rest of the UK - infection rate of 290.9 per 100k, compared to 286.5 for England. If you look at the more detailed splits in England (UTLA tab on that link), the likes of Dorset/Devon/Cornwall have been relatively lucky (~100 cases per 100k) whereas it's the old industrial areas like Tyne-Tees, Oldham, Sheffield that have been worst hit (~500 cases per 100k). So it's maybe no surprise that Strathclyde lights up on the map above, whilst the Borders and Highlands are less badly hit. You do worry for the West Country once the holidaymakers return though.

 

[Cheshire Cat]

Really? Or is she just doing a better job of distracting from the facts?

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(source ECDC)

You mean anyone with a better record on deaths must cheating, get real.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Death rate 'back to normal' in UK

The number of deaths registered in the UK over one week has fallen below the five-year average for the first time since mid-March.

More than 80% of local authorities in Great Britain have also seen death rates fall to normal levels.

The decrease reflects a decline in coronavirus-related deaths, official data shows.

Of 10,681 deaths registered in the week up to 19 June, 849 (8%) mentioned coronavirus.

This is the lowest number of coronavirus deaths registered since the week lockdown was announced.

The total number of deaths registered in the week up to 19 June was eight below the five-year average for that week and the lowest figure since the week of 13 March.

BBC analysis of the figures shows that more than four out of every five local authorities in Great Britain have seen death rates fall back to or below normal levels.

At the peak of the epidemic in mid-April, only 10 of 187 local authorities were in this range, with nearly 160 seeing registered deaths significantly above the five year average in that area.

While the figures are not yet down to the levels seen in the weeks before the coronavirus epidemic started, nearly every local authority in Great Britain has seen the number of deaths fall substantially from the epidemic's peak in mid-April.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53233066

 

[MyQul]

Death rate 'back to normal' in UK

The number of deaths registered in the UK over one week has fallen below the five-year average for the first time since mid-March.

More than 80% of local authorities in Great Britain have also seen death rates fall to normal levels.

The decrease reflects a decline in coronavirus-related deaths, official data shows.

Of 10,681 deaths registered in the week up to 19 June, 849 (8%) mentioned coronavirus.

This is the lowest number of coronavirus deaths registered since the week lockdown was announced.

The total number of deaths registered in the week up to 19 June was eight below the five-year average for that week and the lowest figure since the week of 13 March.

BBC analysis of the figures shows that more than four out of every five local authorities in Great Britain have seen death rates fall back to or below normal levels.

At the peak of the epidemic in mid-April, only 10 of 187 local authorities were in this range, with nearly 160 seeing registered deaths significantly above the five year average in that area.

While the figures are not yet down to the levels seen in the weeks before the coronavirus epidemic started, nearly every local authority in Great Britain has seen the number of deaths fall substantially from the epidemic's peak in mid-April.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53233066

I thought the official figure was 155 for today?

 

[Chippy_Tea]

I thought the official figure was 155 for today?

It is -

 

[Cheshire Cat]

It is proven that lock down, testing and PPE reduce the numbers but why oh why did we delay. Probably herd theory put forward by Cummings.

 

[kelper]

Is there any evidence that crowded beaches are spreading Covid? Being outdoors surely lessens the risk. I wonder if the chattering classes are overreacting to the outrage of the news media? Or vice-versa?

 

[Gerryjo]

The reason i will not be going to a pub even for a family meal is i have no control over what the people that work there do behind the scenes, do they wash the glasses, plates, cutlery in hot enough water to kill anything that may be on them, would they admit they sneezed or coughed over your food by accident when carrying it from the kitchen to your table, i don't think i would enjoy myself as all these questions would be going round in my head so i will not be rushing out for a pub meal anytime soon.

I would not like to be sending anything back to the chef in hurry..

 

[kelper]

The reason I will not be going to a pub even for a family meal is I have no control over what the people that work there do behind the scenes, do they wash the glasses, plates, cutlery in hot enough water to kill anything that may be on them, would they admit they sneezed or coughed over your food by accident when carrying it from the kitchen to your table, I don't think I would enjoy myself as all these questions would be going round in my head so I will not be rushing out for a pub meal anytime soon.

But they were doing all that before Covid-19!
I reckon the risk of catching Covid-19 in a pub or restaurant is from someone coughing, talking loudly or singing next to you and not by ingesting it.

 

[MyQul]

But they were doing all that before Covid-19!
I reckon the risk of catching Covid-19 in a pub or restaurant is from someone coughing, talking loudly or singing next to you and not by ingesting it.

But are you willing to risk you and your families life and health on that though?

 

[kelper]

But are you willing to risk you and your families life and health on that though?

Mine, yes. My wife can decide for herself.

 

[MyQul]

Mine, yes. My wife can decide for herself.

Fair 'nuff. I wont be going in any pubs for a while to see if they do (or dont do) cause a spike in infections

 

[kelper]

I might use a hand sanitiser that gives a few hours' preventative action! Any dishwasher, even manual, will deactivate the virus.

 

[Gerryjo]

But are you willing to risk you and your families life and health on that though?

I'll be no where near them when they open as my wife is severe Asthmatic and has been cocooned since this started and every time I go out the door I have to be thinking of her all the time and be careful and wary as well as wearing ppe.