The Coronavirus thread.

[Cheshire Cat]

Have you noticed that if there's a positive message or good news it's Boris who delivers it, if negative or bad news it's one of his cronies.

 

[kelper]

Have you noticed that if there's a positive message or good news it's Boris who version it, if negative or bad news it's one of his cronies.

learnt from Trumpf

 

[obscure]

I'm still hoping WFH is the default option where possible because I could spend 12 hours being 1-2 meters away from a few peoplein work where as in a pub this would be for a few hours tops. However you need to consider the staff who work in these establishments as well. If office workers go back en masse we will have a big issue down the line - we need to unsquash the amount of people who have to be in close proximity to each other over time as a good health policy rather than pile em high and pack 'em in.... who ever thought the tube commute crush is healthy... only now the chickens have come home to roost.

Have to agree on the work from home point, the best way of keeping a degree of social distancing on trains, buses etc. is to ensure anyone who can work from home, is and thus not travelling on them,

As for reopening pubs looking at the guidence I am of the view that going to a pub would be a pretty miserable experience. I can get excellent beer at home, the reason to go to a pub is the social aspect (and enjoying good beer while doing so). Throw in the reality that it is going to be near impossible to enforce, I do not envy the 20 something bar man who is expected to tell a group of intoxicated idiots that they are not following the guidelines.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

The reason i will not be going to a pub even for a family meal is i have no control over what the people that work there do behind the scenes, do they wash the glasses, plates, cutlery in hot enough water to kill anything that may be on them, would they admit they sneezed or coughed over your food by accident when carrying it from the kitchen to your table, i don't think i would enjoy myself as all these questions would be going round in my head so i will not be rushing out for a pub meal anytime soon.

 

[Cheshire Cat]

The reason i will not be going to a pub even for a family meal is i have no control over what the people that work there do behind the scenes, do they wash the glasses, plates, cutlery in hot enough water to kill anything that may be on them, would they admit they sneezed or coughed over your food by accident when carrying it from the kitchen to your table, i don't think i would enjoy myself as all these questions would be going round in my head so i will not be rushing out for a pub meal anytime soon.

Chippy my wife said exactly the same.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Chippy my wife said exactly the same.

I hope those that rush out and do the opposite dont end up setting a second wave off but i am fairly sure they will.

 

[Cheshire Cat]

I see yesterday's deaths were 171 why do we report 15 for Sunday when it's never right and gives us all false hope.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

I see yesterday's deaths were 171 why do we report 15 for Sunday when it's never right and gives us all false hope.

If you know the Sunday figures are always false why bother looking at them?

 

[Cheshire Cat]

If you know the Sunday figures are always false why bother looking at them?

Hope

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Hope

False hope

 

[obscure]

Recent German outbreaks in Göttingen and more recently in Tönnies suggest just how hard it is to contain Covid, and just how quickly it can spread. The problem is I really worry that in the UK the government does not have the ability or the will to act rapidly to test everyone in the area and lockdown a section of a city or an entire region, as necessary to contain regional flare ups.

 

[trueblue]

I will still do my best to keep away from every ******* I can

 

[Chippy_Tea]

I will still do my best to keep away from every ******* I can

That is my plan.

 

[Northern_Brewer]

I cannot find the original (probably heard it on 5 live) a quick search brought this up -

"In a paper to the Government’s Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) on June 4, the EMG said that a one-metre distance could carry up to 10 times the risk of two metres"

I quoted the original upthread in #3969, you could equally report they were saying that the risk of 1m could be as low as 2x, and in recent weeks they've been reducing their assessment of the risk of 1m :

Worth noting what the 4 June EMG report actually said was "it is not possible to say with certainty what a safe distance of separation is, but best current evidence suggests that 1m carries between 2 and 10 times the risk of 2m of separation"

They're obviously being cautious, I note that Vallance was saying "The risk at one metre is about 10 to 30 times higher than the risk at two metres" on 5 May, and recent evidence seems to be pushing towards the lower end of the 2-10x range.

I wouldn't take the Lancet paper as gospel though, there's some problems with it.

I'm still hoping WFH is the default option where possible because I could spend 12 hours being 1-2 meters away from a few peoplein work where as in a pub this would be for a few hours tops. However you need to consider the staff who work in these establishments as well. If office workers go back en masse we will have a big issue down the line - we need to unsquash the amount of people who have to be in close proximity to each other over time as a good health policy rather than pile em high and pack 'em in.... who ever thought the tube commute crush is healthy... only now the chickens have come home to roost.

FWIW this thing seems to be spread by large droplets rather than aerosols, so the problem is more when people are talking loudly, singing etc, whereas sitting quietly even indoors seems to be relatively low-risk - it's notable that there's been plenty of superspreading events among choirs and religious events, whereas there's been surprisingly little spread in office environments. The big risk in offices seems to be face-to-face meetings, whereas eg banks of call-centre operators seem to be lower-risk than one might think. So having a quiet drink in a pub, even indoors, is probably fairly low-risk, but it's hard to have different rules for that kind of pub versus rowdy student pubs.

Obviously Tubes and buses are a concern, but even there - masks work, if Japan is any guide.

 

[dad_of_jon]

That is true I think and hope that this will bring out positive change from businesses to allowthe flexibility to WFH where possible you work in IT too right? I find I am able to facilite a lot of work from home hpwever being on site is needed to rota system works for us right now

I am currently rolling out Meraki Switches across teh estate and programming the setup of tehse switches I can do from the cloud, however still need to be on site to physically install them test they are working and the fiber links are working ect and that teh correct vlans are working ect

That is true I think and hope that this will bring out positive change from businesses to allowthe flexibility to WFH where possible you work in IT too right? I find I am able to facilite a lot of work from home hpwever being on site is needed to rota system works for us right now

I am currently rolling out Meraki Switches across teh estate and programming the setup of tehse switches I can do from the cloud, however still need to be on site to physically install them test they are working and the fiber links are working ect and that teh correct vlans are working ect

Ah Meraki, I went down the Aerohive route at the time. I was informed Merakis would end up like bricks if their licencing expired wheras with the Aerohive you'd just lose access to change management settings. This is a good few years back so it failed on one of my selection criteria. I looked at Ruckus too. The Aerohive signal planning software was amazing I recall. I am still in IT (left my old job 3 years ago but prior to that had been able to WFH but preferred the office) but in my new Job WFH has only opened up due to covid-19. I don't even need to visit a remote site as we have staff to button kit when required, previously it would have meant a visit by my team.

We are on 24x7 shifts. same shift team since starting new Job. So yeah, I love WFH - I'm retiring in the next year or so, I'm not looking forward to doing nights in the office again.

 

[dad_of_jon]

I quoted the original upthread in #3969, you could equally report they were saying that the risk of 1m could be as low as 2x, and in recent weeks they've been reducing their assessment of the risk of 1m :


I wouldn't take the Lancet paper as gospel though, there's some problems with it.



FWIW this thing seems to be spread by large droplets rather than aerosols, so the problem is more when people are talking loudly, singing etc, whereas sitting quietly even indoors seems to be relatively low-risk - it's notable that there's been plenty of superspreading events among choirs and religious events, whereas there's been surprisingly little spread in office environments. The big risk in offices seems to be face-to-face meetings, whereas eg banks of call-centre operators seem to be lower-risk than one might think. So having a quiet drink in a pub, even indoors, is probably fairly low-risk, but it's hard to have different rules for that kind of pub versus rowdy student pubs.

Obviously Tubes and buses are a concern, but even there - masks work, if Japan is any guide.

Our office has lots of shouty men, wheras the pubs I USED to go to were more civilized, plus the state of the toilets and personal hygiene standards of many was shocking. pubs would absolutely be lower risk for me.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

 

[Chippy_Tea]

 

[Cheshire Cat]

Not going down I’m afraid second wave coming soon

 

[Chippy_Tea]

After seeing those beach pictures today I would say it's a certainty.