The Coronavirus thread.

[Chippy_Tea]

Another WTF moment.

My son works part time in Tesco at the moment he is working with the team disinfecting the trollies and manning the door keeping customers separated etc, he told me last night that if two people turn up and are asked if they are related and they say yes they are not allowed in but if they say no they cannot stop them going in because the government haven't made any rules to cover this, I wonder how many family members have turned up and said they were friends.

 

[Brew_DD2]

A shop can refuse entry to the store to anyone.

 

[Leon103]

Another WTF moment.

My son works part time in Tesco at the moment he is working with the team disinfecting the trollies and manning the door keeping customers separated etc, he told me last night that if two people turn up and are asked if they are related and they say yes they are not allowed in but if they say no they cannot stop them going in because the government haven't made any rules to cover this, I wonder how many family members have turned up and said they were friends.

He should explain that they shyldnt have travelled together and the police will be informed

 

[kelper]

My son works part time in Tesco at the moment he is working with the team disinfecting the trollies and manning the door keeping customers separated etc, he told me last night that if two people turn up and are asked if they are related and they say yes they are not allowed in but if they say no they cannot stop them going in because the government haven't made any rules to cover this, I wonder how many family members have turned up and said they were friends.

I can't find any reference to this policy on Tesco.com or the corporate website. Two people from the same household can travel by car if the journey is essential and that covers food shopping. What's the logic? Has anyone else seen this policy in action? Maybe it's just where your son works?

 

[Covrich]

I have to wear PPE gear when I enter the factory floor now at work, I do think they should be manatory in supermarkets teh way people ignore the rules.

IMO people breaking the rules going for a long walk in the countryside alone are not going to be the big issue its the people who cannot follow arrows in a supermarket.. thats why we are hopeless.

Problem with masks is people will wera the same one day after day afater day, like rubber gloves we have them at work but you should do your task and dispose imediatley otherwise you just cross contaminate.

My girlfreind was in Tesco at 7am with her 4 year old son and was getting abuse from other shoppers the other day shamed for bringing him to the shops.. what is she supposed to do? dad never bothers with him she lives alone she cannot work needs to get food.

I am being told I need to go back to work full time in office as off 11th May and cannot work from home it is basically tough ****, bit difficult when I have kids my ex works NHS shifts.. Honestly contemplating my girlfriend who lives 70 miles away moving in so we can help each other keep working we both have kids and are threatening zero income.

 

[MyQul]

Another WTF moment.

My son works part time in Tesco at the moment he is working with the team disinfecting the trollies and manning the door keeping customers separated etc, he told me last night that if two people turn up and are asked if they are related and they say yes they are not allowed in but if they say no they cannot stop them going in because the government haven't made any rules to cover this, I wonder how many family members have turned up and said they were friends.

I think they'd have to know this policy exists to take advantage of it. It's certainly not well known judging by the reaction from forumites. I haven't heard of this either

 

[kelper]

One shopper per household does make sense as it keeps the numbers down, but I was unaware of this policy which seems to be common with the big supermarkets. My wife does the supermarket shopping and likes to take her time. As it's not official advice I don't think the police could do much.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

I will ask him to tell me what they were told later, I did point out the stupidity of the rule and he agreed but that's what they have been told to do.

 

[kelper]

My brother, in Cheltenham, says couples are allowed in the supermarket but they have to stat two metres apart!!!

 

[Leon103]

I have been to a supermarket once, the day of lockdown. It was Morrison's and they had a policy of one member only. The couple in front of my were stopped on entering so they told the guy they would shop separately for different people. They were let in and then proceeded to shop together. Idiots.

 

[MyQul]

More figure fiddling from the Government. Why Hancock came up with his 100,000 tested figure after the previous target had failed to be reached is any ones guess. Why didnt he say something along the lines of, we're increasing testing daily' rather than pick a completely unobtainable figure out of the air. Also why do the government feel the need to fiddle the figures at all. Why cant they just admit 100,000 was overambitious and state the number of test currently done. I think it's about 80,000 so not too far away from the target so I think most people would understand

"The government has changed the way it is counting the number of covid-19 tests carried out in a bid to hit its target of 100,000 tests per day by the end of April, HSJ can reveal.
Previously, a test would be counted once the sample had been processed in laboratories. But this definition has been changed in the last few days, a senior source told HSJ.
The Department of Health and Social Care is now including tests that have been posted or delivered to people’s homes in its figures. This means tests which are sent to people are counted before the recipient has provided and returned their sample to a laboratory"

https://www.hsj.co.uk/story.aspx?storyCode=7027544

 

[Cheshire Cat]

Government fiddling the figures surely not

 

[Chippy_Tea]

More figure fiddling from the Government. Why Hancock came up with his 100,000 tested figure after the previous target had failed to be reached is any ones guess.

I don't get why there is all the fuss about the figure or why they made the target in the first place, 50,000, 100,000 or 150,000 what does it matter as long as they are testing as many as they can with the kits they have.

 

[Cheshire Cat]

Chippy because everything is a sound bite in politics 100,000 tests, get Brexit done, Strong and Stable etc etc

 

[MyQul]

I don't get why there is all the fuss about the figure or why they made the target in the first place, 50,000, 100,000 or 150,000 what does it matter as long as they are testing as many as they can with the kits they have.

Spot on. Hancock made a rod for his own back when he came out with the 100,000 figure. Immediately all the jouro's jumped on it when he said it and now the Government cant fulfill it, so they have to resort to slight of hand. I bet he wishes he didnt say 100,000 now

 

[Chippy_Tea]

In case anyone here is unaware the premier league bosses want to start playing matches again behind closed doors, they intend to test all players which will mean at least 66,000 kits will be needed, this is a disgrace when we are just seeing testing become more widespread, i like to watch a bit of football but for me they can stay at home like the rest of us until its safe to not social distance.


Dominic Raab, the first secretary of state, specifically said on Sunday that professional sport may be granted special dispensation to resume even while social distancing measures are in place and recreational or amateur sport remains effectively locked down. Culture secretary Oliver Dowden has said that the Premier League’s return “as soon as possible in order to support the whole football community”. Uefa wants to know the Premier League’s detailed start plan by May 25. The Premier League has said it will only return when it is advised by government that it is safe to do so.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...layed-latest-dates-training-testing-fixtures/

 

[MyQul]

In case anyone here is unaware the premier league bosses want to start playing matches again behind closed doors, they intend to test all players which will mean at least 66,000 kits will be needed, this is a disgrace when we are just seeing testing become more widespread, i like to watch a bit of football but for me they can stay at home like the rest of us until its safe to not social distance.


Dominic Raab, the first secretary of state, specifically said on Sunday that professional sport may be granted special dispensation to resume even while social distancing measures are in place and recreational or amateur sport remains effectively locked down. Culture secretary Oliver Dowden has said that the Premier League’s return “as soon as possible in order to support the whole football community”. Uefa wants to know the Premier League’s detailed start plan by May 25. The Premier League has said it will only return when it is advised by government that it is safe to do so.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...layed-latest-dates-training-testing-fixtures/

This is one of the reasons we've got such a high death rate. Obviously the PL lobbyists have been on the blower to Raab

 

[Rodcx500z]

As far as i am concerned football can be cancelled the frogs have given psg the title they have a 12 point lead chicken feed compared to the 25 Liverpool have :tinhat: so yeah crown them champions Kloppo would sooner win it playing but even he would agree with cancelling it, and before anyone mentions the game at anfield in march he is the manager and does not make those desisions he will have an opinion but thats all

 

[Chippy_Tea]

How the government plans to get the UK back to work

The government will release a series of papers next week outlining its approach on how to safely and gradually restart the economy.

It invited submissions by Thursday from businesses, trade bodies, unions and other workers representatives on how best to slowly restart the UK economy.

It's thought the proposals will not be split bluntly by sector but by working environment.

But there is no confirmed date yet for when such a restart will occur.

Unions, large firms and business groups have been consulted on seven areas:

• Outdoor work - including agriculture, construction and energy
• Non-food retail - high street
• Transport and logistics
• Manufacturing - including food processing and engineering
• Indoor work - offices, laboratories, call centres
• Work in the home - plumbers, painters and decorators, carers
• Hospitality and leisure - pubs clubs restaurants cinemas theatres

The position papers are expected to comprise a set of broad guidelines based on these discussions, which will not be too prescriptive as to be inflexible, and given it would be impossible to examine individual premises, it's thought companies will be allowed to self-certify they are in compliance with the guidelines.

The government wants to involve unions and the Health and Safety executive to endorse the plans and to both get buy-in from workers, and provide a channel for any worker concerns at the new arrangements.



Simon Emeny, the boss of Fullers, which operates 400 pubs and restaurants, has told the BBC that reopening under social distancing rules would be worse than staying closed.

"Think of the practical problems of going to the loo, being served at the bar, a plate of food at your table. Also few people would want to come," he said.

"It would mean our revenue would be down by as much as 80%, but our costs would go up, so it's actually more catastrophic to open under socially distant guidelines than it is being closed down."

That means there will be some very serious questions for the Treasury, on how long it is willing or able to continue to pay millions of furloughed workers wages, under a job retention scheme that some estimate is currently costing up to a billion pounds a day.

Read full article - How the government plans to get the UK back to work

 

[MyQul]

How the government plans to get the UK back to work

The government will release a series of papers next week outlining its approach on how to safely and gradually restart the economy.

It invited submissions by Thursday from businesses, trade bodies, unions and other workers representatives on how best to slowly restart the UK economy.

It's thought the proposals will not be split bluntly by sector but by working environment.

But there is no confirmed date yet for when such a restart will occur.

Unions, large firms and business groups have been consulted on seven areas:

• Outdoor work - including agriculture, construction and energy
• Non-food retail - high street
• Transport and logistics
• Manufacturing - including food processing and engineering
• Indoor work - offices, laboratories, call centres
• Work in the home - plumbers, painters and decorators, carers
• Hospitality and leisure - pubs clubs restaurants cinemas theatres

The position papers are expected to comprise a set of broad guidelines based on these discussions, which will not be too prescriptive as to be inflexible, and given it would be impossible to examine individual premises, it's thought companies will be allowed to self-certify they are in compliance with the guidelines.

The government wants to involve unions and the Health and Safety executive to endorse the plans and to both get buy-in from workers, and provide a channel for any worker concerns at the new arrangements.



Simon Emeny, the boss of Fullers, which operates 400 pubs and restaurants, has told the BBC that reopening under social distancing rules would be worse than staying closed.

"Think of the practical problems of going to the loo, being served at the bar, a plate of food at your table. Also few people would want to come," he said.

"It would mean our revenue would be down by as much as 80%, but our costs would go up, so it's actually more catastrophic to open under socially distant guidelines than it is being closed down."

That means there will be some very serious questions for the Treasury, on how long it is willing or able to continue to pay millions of furloughed workers wages, under a job retention scheme that some estimate is currently costing up to a billion pounds a day.

Read full article - How the government plans to get the UK back to work

Obviously each sector will be clamouring that they should be the first sector to be allowed to go back to work and not the last. It'll b like the hunger games but for business