Styrian hops - help

[Loetz]

I just looked on 1516's webpage
http://www.1516brewingcompany.com/cms/beers/
and they mention a mix of Styrian Magnum with Savinjski.
I'm guessing the magnum is for bittering and Savinjski for the other two additions. It wouldn't hurt to ask them about their ratios. Worst case scenario would be that they don't reply.

 

[clibit]

The 1516 Brewery Savinjski IPA ingredients are:

Malts: Belgian Pale Ale, Crystal, Cara Aroma
Hops: Slovenian Magnum, Savinjski (Whole Leaf)

Might give it a go later in the summer. Loads of other plans first. Wonder what yeasts they use there? And if there's anything similar here.

 

[Loetz]

The 1516 Brewer Savinjski IPA ingredients are:

Malts: Belgian Pale Ale, Crystal, Cara Aroma
Hops: Slovenian Magnum, Savinjski (Whole Leaf)

Might give it a go later in the summer. Loads of other plans first. Wonder what yeasts they use there? And if there's anything similar here.

I've had it a few times and I would guess that it's an American ale yeast. Not many esters in it.

 

[JKaranka]

I drink Otley O1 quite regularly (Champion Beer of Britain 2008 in the golden ale category) and that is a combination of Brewer's Gold and Styrians. Has a lovely fresh floral aroma and some fruit (including citrus). I think that a lot of flavour in St Austell's Tribute is also Styrians.

 

[JKaranka]

Also, not sure if this helps. For brewing today I was getting the hops out to smell them and brew them. The four I had out were East Kent Goldings, Fuggles, Styrians and Williamette. Goldings had the smoothest aroma. Sweet, with some gentle orange blossom, floral. Fuggles was resiny, piney, with a very strong weed-like herbal smell. Styrians was the most aromatic, less resiny than Fuggles with a lot of spice and with floral background... reminded me a bit more of the EK Goldings than the Fuggles, but also of noble hops like Saaz. The Williamette was the second most aromatic, but less spicey than the Styrians, and the only one of the four that had a lemony smell.

 

[clibit]

Interesting. What kind of Styrians? And where from? I have all four of those hops, unopened, but the Styrians are Bobek.

I've discovered clone recipes for quite a few good beers that include Styrian hops. Landlord, Deuchars, Boddies, Hobgoblin, Orval, Westmalle Dubbel, La Chouffe for example. When I decided to buy some I got all confused by the different types. Starting to get a handle on it, cheers everyone.

 

[JKaranka]

They are the Morris Hanbury Styrian Goldings, I was confused too so I decided to go for the only one that didn't specify type :)

 

[clibit]

Maltmiller says this about Celeia hops:

"This hop is part of the group including Bobek and Savinjski that made up Styrian Goldings. Before Slovenia joined the E.U. any of these or a mixture of these three hops would be supplied under the name Styrian Goldings. It is now only possible to buy them individually."

I read that once before but forgot where, and I stumbled across it again last night.

Yesterday I made two 10 litre brews, one with Bobek at 15 mins, the other with Aurora at 15. Both had Challenger for bittering. Maris Otter for both and I put some Munich malt in with the Bobek brew (Thornbridge Kipling has Munich and it works), and some amber malt with the Aurora brew, to check these two malts out. They smell very similar at this stage, both fermenting well with US05 I recycled from previous brew.

Getting the yeast 'free' means the ingredients (malt and hops) cost me approx £5.30 for 20 litres. (3.3kg grain @£1.20/kg and 50g hops @ £2.25/100g). That's 13p per 500ml bottle, I'm shocked and delighted.... :

OG was 1040 for both, and IBUs around 30.

 

[Loetz]

So apparently a hobgoblin clone can be made with styrian and cascade. Here is a link to a podcast about how to make it.
http://www.thebrewingnetwork.com/membersarchive/cybi08-29-11.mp3
As always with their shows, you should skip forward until after the first advert break. The real information starts at about 15 minutes into the show.

I'm guessing that cascade and styrian hops pair well because that is what Human Fish uses in their IPA.
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Jamil's Hobgoblin Clone

OG 1046
FG ?
IBUs 36.3
SRM 15.5

90% UK Pale Ale Malt 4.29kg
7.5% British Crystal 75-80love. 360g
2% British Chocolate malt 100g
0.5% cane sugar 20g

Mash at 153F for one hour.

Boil for 60min

14g Kent Goldings 4.75%AA 60'
14g Fuggles 5%AA 60'
16g Cascade 5.75%AA 15'
64g Styrian Goldings 5.25%AA 15'

WLP023, ferment at 61F, rise to 68F over 3 days.