Sterilising and rinsing

[rickthebrew]

I just think kit beer has a twang after going to AG brews - i`m sure it has nothing to do with the water though more the kits themselves i imagine :thumb:

 

[Wez]

Ok point taken. But if your making a kit, you only boil about 2-3 pints of water, but the remaining water is un-boiled tap water.

But not straight from the tap.......well, hopefully not :shock: In the interests of best practice for kit brewers, treat the "top up" 20L with a campden tablet!

 

[corby_brewer]

20L with a campden tablet!

But campden tablets only remove the clorine from tap water, as using 1/2 a tap in 20ltr of water will be no use at all as a steraliser

 

[Wez]

maybe thats why most of my kits didn`t taste quite right :hmm:

Im not trying to start a argument or anything here, just trying to point out that there is nothing wrong with using tap waterto rince after steralising or using in brewing. So rick, what water did you use for your ginger beer and wines? and how do they taste?

Thats quite a claim can you explain why there is nothing wrong with doing that please? I'm asking as if you are correct all of the homebrewers that read this will then be following good advice. My own opinion (now) is that using a no rinse soln is a better / safer way to do it (if your can) and remember it's all about minimising risk.

But as I said, i'm keen to hear why you think there is "nothing wrong" as the way I see it you are 'potentially' recontaminating a vessel that you tried to get sterile?

 

[rickthebrew]

but isn`t chlorine used to clean tap water - we add the campden to remove the chlorine hence clean water?

 

[Wez]

20L with a campden tablet!

But campden tablets only remove the clorine from tap water, as using 1/2 a tap in 20ltr of water will be no use at all as a steraliser

point missed.........treat the top up water with a campden dave....did you read the post :wha:

You seem to be saying I meant it as a steriliser :lol:

 

[BarnsleyBrewer]

I use SWP to clean fermenters, sometimes I just steam them above the boiling wort, never had a bad batch.
I think sterilizing can create OSD in people and a fear of God regarding infections.
Some of the breweries I've seen are not as clean as I thought they would av been!

BB

 

[Wez]

I just think kit beer has a twang after going to AG brews - i`m sure it has nothing to do with the water though more the kits themselves i imagine :thumb:

I'm convinced the twang is from the process of or the storage of the concentrated wort. Brewers using water straight from the tap wont help matters though.

 

[Wez]

I use SWP to clean fermenters, sometimes I just steam them above the boiling wort, never had a bad batch.
I think sterilizing can create OSD in people and a fear of God regarding infections.
Some of the breweries I've seen are not as clean as I thought they would av been!

BB

Yep agreed, but best practice and minimise risk for me :thumb:

 

[corby_brewer]

20L with a campden tablet!

But campden tablets only remove the clorine from tap water, as using 1/2 a tap in 20ltr of water will be no use at all as a steraliser

point missed.........treat the top up water with a campden dave....did you read the post :wha:

You seem to be saying I meant it as a steriliser :lol:

No Wez i didnt say or think you where sugesting it was used as a steriliser, i just worded it it wrong. and for that i apoligise. What i was saying about CT is you use them to remove the clorine from tap water, hence removeing the twang from beer kits. Now forgive me if im wrong here, but do comercial brewerys use treated water to clean there equipment or do they just use tap water?

 

[Wez]

The micro i'm friendly with use a no rinse soln post boil.

EDIT - Do you think that CT's remove the beer kit twang? I dont.

 

[rickthebrew]

i treated my kit brews with campden ( after about 5 brews when i found out !)and found it slightly better than untreated water - but as you say wez the storage or production of kit cans is probably more responsible for the twang, as an ag brewer now i still treat my water with campden :thumb:

hope this thread hasn`t turned into a needless argument though : i`m brewing early so off to bed

 

[BarnsleyBrewer]

I always sterilize bottles/kegs with 100% attention, if your going to have problems it's in there!
BB

 

[Wez]

I always sterilize bottles/kegs with 100% attention, if your going to have problems it's in there!
BB

Agreed mate :thumb:

 

[corby_brewer]

hope this thread hasn`t turned into a needless argument though : i`m brewing early so off to bed

No Rick it hasnt cause a needless argument, all im trying to say is there is nothing wrong with rinsing with tap water after sanatising. Ive done it and will continue to do it. And with 20+ kits and 5 AG's using that practise ive never had any problems. The point im trying to put across is why over complecate things. As reading through this post its suggested that to rince with tap water is a no no. where as 99ish% of home brewer do just that.

Edit.
Wez when i said clean there equment i ment to say rince there eguipment.

Dave

 

[Wez]

You ever had probs with infections? Over carbed bottles are sign of that.

 

[BarnsleyBrewer]

hope this thread hasn`t turned into a needless argument though : i`m brewing early so off to bed

No Rick it hasnt cause a needless argument, all im trying to say is there is nothing wrong with rinsing with tap water after sanatising. Ive done it and will continue to do it. And with 20+ kits and 5 AG's using that practise ive never had any problems. The point im trying to put across is why over complecate things. As reading through this post its suggested that to rince with tap water is a no no. where as 99ish% of home brewer do just that.

I always rinse with tap water, if it's causing infections...is it safe to drink without boiling???
People who sup my beer love it.

 

[corby_brewer]

You ever had probs with infections? Over carbed bottles are sign of that.

To my knowlege ive only ever had 2 over carbed bottles, one was a barley wine which MD had an the other was a honey beer that Tubbyshaw recieved. I dont know about the bottle i sent you as youve not said anything about it.

 

[A T]

You ever had probs with infections? Over carbed bottles are sign of that.

Now in fairness that was his guy fawkes beer :lol:

 

[Wez]

hope this thread hasn`t turned into a needless argument though : i`m brewing early so off to bed

No Rick it hasnt cause a needless argument, all im trying to say is there is nothing wrong with rinsing with tap water after sanatising. Ive done it and will continue to do it. And with 20+ kits and 5 AG's using that practise ive never had any problems. The point im trying to put across is why over complecate things. As reading through this post its suggested that to rince with tap water is a no no. where as 99ish% of home brewer do just that.

I always rinse with tap water, if it's causing infections...is it safe to drink without boiling???
People who sup my beer love it.

I used to, and I took some arm twisting to do a no-rinse videne soln, the way i see it, it's less effort, cheaper and minimises risk. So ... why not!

Everyone should though do what they want