Star San withdrawn from sale in EU?

[jceg316]

I can't find info anywhere else on starsan banned from Europe. I bought a new pack in my last order so I'm good for a while if it is true.

It can still be bought on GEB as of 20 seconds ago.

 

[Clint]

I've mailed malt miller a couple of days ago asking about it and only got their new automated reply saying someone would get back to me...

 

[Richie_asg1]

I'm using Harris no rinse sanitiser. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Harris-N...772195&hash=item25e6f01c91:g:qRYAAOSwmudaJXGz

But I use it after VWP as a cleaner and a rinse in tap water.

I don't see the benefit of the star san which I believe is more of an imported product.

 

[GerritT]

https://www.braumarkt.com/wijn-maken/arsegan-puro-oxi-1000-gr

Lasts me a year. At least 12 batches of 16 liter each.

 

[Drunkula]

https://www.braumarkt.com/wijn-maken/arsegan-puro-oxi-1000-gr

Lasts me a year. At least 12 batches of 16 liter each.

Arsegan is the name of a cleaner? Makes sense to me. Bang! And the arse is gan!

 

[GerritT]

Arsegan is the name of a cleaner? Makes sense to me. Bang! And the a**e is gan!

Arsegan is a homebrand for brewing ingredients and peripherals, not only sanitiser *sigh*

https://www.braumarkt.com/en/catalogsearch/result/index/?q=Arsegan&product_list_order=price

 

[110ben]

Thanks for the heads up was nearly out and have ordered some more...phew

 

[Sadfield]

I'm using Harris no rinse sanitiser. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Harris-N...772195&hash=item25e6f01c91:g:qRYAAOSwmudaJXGz

But I use it after VWP as a cleaner and a rinse in tap water.

I don't see the benefit of the star san which I believe is more of an imported product.

The benefit of it is, that it's a low pH acid sanitiser that prevents water spotting, the residual mineral deposits left as a liquid air dries. These mineral deposits have the potential to be a home for bacteria.

 

[jceg316]

I've mailed malt miller a couple of days ago asking about it and only got their new automated reply saying someone would get back to me...

It would be good to hear what they say.

 

[Bernie]

How does the low pH reduce the precipitation of dissolved salts on the vessel wall as it dries.When the water evaporates completely the dissolved salt will remain. What is the acid used to reduce the pH? Water spotting will be eliminated by surfactants that make the water spread on the surface or drain off more readily. What is the surfactant used?

 

[Druncan]

Today, I will mainly be using Paracetic acid (Brewlab C2) it stinks!

 

[Clint]

Gallon bottle back in stock at MM...£56.99....BARGAIN!

 

[Richie_asg1]

I would think phosphoric acid may be in there as that is considered food safe (it's in Coke) and "pH down" solutions, and the byproducts are phosphates - which are used as a yeast nutrient anyway. It could be the surfactant that is the problem, but is sold as rinse aid for dishwashers without a problem?
Adding a few drops of rinse aid to a 50% solution of phosphoric acid should produce something useful.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

An old thread that may be of use - https://www.thehomebrewforum.co.uk/threads/cleaners-sterilisers-dilution-rates-and-uses-guide.53702/

 

[Druncan]

Thanks for that @Chippy_Tea!!!

Paracetic acid
This is also a mucosal irritant, do not inhale, use in a very well ventilated area, the vapours alone will make your eyes stream.

Do not sniff the cornie just to check whether it has paracetic in. Use the bloody PH meter! (eyes watering,,,,,)

I got told it Neutralises after 30mins though?

 

[Clint]

Just had reply from Malt Miller...they deal direct with Five star in the US and have no problem with the product or its supply. They seem to indicate it's a distributor issue not a product issue.

 

[HoppyTommy]

Just had reply from Malt Miller...they deal direct with Five star in the US and have no problem with the product or its supply. They seem to indicate it's a distributor issue not a product issue.

Great. I'm just about to invest in a jumbo size bottle from MM.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Just had reply from Malt Miller...they deal direct with Five star in the US and have no problem with the product or its supply. They seem to indicate it's a distributor issue not a product issue.

Thanks Clint. :thumba:

 

[simon12]

Just had reply from Malt Miller...they deal direct with Five star in the US and have no problem with the product or its supply. They seem to indicate it's a distributor issue not a product issue.

In that case apologies for starting a pointless thread.

 

[Clint]

Well until you pointed out the initial problem none of us would have been any the wiser..so thank you.
Plus I don't think I've seen a pointless post on the forum...