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Should everybody have a ID Card
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Dutto
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I saw my Mum's wartime ID Card. It was called the National Registration Card.
There was no photograph. It had her name and address written on it (in her own handwriting) and it wasn't countersigned, stamped or validated by anyone in an official capacity.
As it was almost meaningless it was easy to abolish!
The wartime ID cards were quite clever. Each one had a unique number. If a policeman stopped a suspected spy he would ask him some personal questions, such as, 'are you married? How many children do you have?' The answers to these questions were hidden in the card number. So the Germans, not knowing this would forge a good looking ID card but the number would not match the answers.
Dutto
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If your Dad had a licence, they also included his initials, so that neither could use the other one's licence if one if you got banned!
Actually, the DVLA people weren't always so smart 'cos at about the same time the Road Tax Disc looked almost identical to the label on a Guinness bottle. It was a great time to have an un-taxed motorbike!
hedgerowpete
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theres no point to it,
the good people, honest people and law abiding people all ready have id cards with picturees, drivers licenses and so forth you can age id cards for under 18's as well.
and the criminals dont do honesty so are not going to carry their own cards but someone elses, or fakes or just not bother at all, but we have ANPR and portable finger print scanners which catch out liers
if you really want to change the world, well the uk anyway and make the place better, try enforcing the v5 doc, half the cars involved with hit and runs i hear on the news the police cant chase as they are recorded either to some little old lady or have swapped hands ten times and no one has a v5 for it, find a way that to stop fraud on the v5 system
the good people, honest people and law abiding people all ready have id cards with picturees, drivers licenses and so forth you can age id cards for under 18's as well.
and the criminals dont do honesty so are not going to carry their own cards but someone elses, or fakes or just not bother at all, but we have ANPR and portable finger print scanners which catch out liers
if you really want to change the world, well the uk anyway and make the place better, try enforcing the v5 doc, half the cars involved with hit and runs i hear on the news the police cant chase as they are recorded either to some little old lady or have swapped hands ten times and no one has a v5 for it, find a way that to stop fraud on the v5 system
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The Baron said: "the police would surely have more chance of catching criminals if they are registered with the state."
Wd're all registered with the state when we are born. Anyone entering the country with the intention of committing crime is unlikely to register upon entry. At least jot with their own details.
Besides, the government would only give the contract to build the systwm which runs it to someone like Capita in which case the computer system will:
1. Not do what it's supposed to do.
2. Go massively over budget and the taxpayer will have to bail it out so shareholders earn some money.
3. Be delivered so late it is immediately obsolete.
4. Break down constantly and require extra money thrown at it.
5. Deport half of us despite the fact we're British and would have nowhere to go.
6. Be hackable by my 5 year old nephew using my old ZX81 and a broken fax machine
Plus government 'advisors' would probably miss the small print giving them the right to give away whatever details we haven't already given to Facebook.
Wd're all registered with the state when we are born. Anyone entering the country with the intention of committing crime is unlikely to register upon entry. At least jot with their own details.
Besides, the government would only give the contract to build the systwm which runs it to someone like Capita in which case the computer system will:
1. Not do what it's supposed to do.
2. Go massively over budget and the taxpayer will have to bail it out so shareholders earn some money.
3. Be delivered so late it is immediately obsolete.
4. Break down constantly and require extra money thrown at it.
5. Deport half of us despite the fact we're British and would have nowhere to go.
6. Be hackable by my 5 year old nephew using my old ZX81 and a broken fax machine
Plus government 'advisors' would probably miss the small print giving them the right to give away whatever details we haven't already given to Facebook.
MyQul
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I'm curious jjsh. Do you have a smart phone? Id suggest smart phones are far more intrusive than ID cards, especially as people willingly give them their data/info. Those Amazon Alexa thingys are even worse as apparently they can 'listen in' on you
I * choose* to have s smartphone, and *choose not* to have a device such as an Alexia, etc. Similarly, I choose which smart devices to have on my home network, and those I presently believe are to much of a security risk.
Compulsory ID involves no such choice.
MyQul
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Dutto
Landlord.
May we presume that you have never left the UK or passed a Driving Test?
If you do choose to have a Passport and choose to have a Driving Licence then you already have all that is required for an Identity Card. No further information would be required and your resistance to having an ID Card not really valid. Sorry.
I've outlined my valid objections to ID cards above. Sorry you can't understand them.
Oneflewover
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I've yet to read a coherent argument on here (or anywhere else for that matter) for a compulsory ID card. I'd regard introduction of one as the thin end of a wedge that leads to misuse of data and power. It would be an unnecessary intrusion and a burden upon the taxpayer.
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And a total waste of time
GhostShip
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Plenty of other civilised countries have ID cards. If they save one murder, rape or aggravated burglary, then I’d happily accept it.
The Government already knows exactly who I am through HMRC, the Electoral Roll and DVLA, so carrying an ID card should hold no fears. As is usually the case, it’s those who have something to hide who fear it the most.
The Government already knows exactly who I am through HMRC, the Electoral Roll and DVLA, so carrying an ID card should hold no fears. As is usually the case, it’s those who have something to hide who fear it the most.
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gone please explain that to me. I have loads of different ID cards. The question is should it be compulsory to carry one.
For us no, but I would happily carry one 
Cheshire Cat
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We'll have cards linked the Chinese network post Brexit. Let's get tyrrany done.
Dutto
Landlord.
Using "What if ... ?" is not a valid argument. Sorry.
Whenever I used the word "if" during a discussion, my Dad (not the most eloquent of men) used to remind me, "IF? If sh*t were butter we'd all be spreading it on our toast."
Whenever I used the word "if" during a discussion, my Dad (not the most eloquent of men) used to remind me, "IF? If sh*t were butter we'd all be spreading it on our toast."
WHAT IF you don't like toast?
Sorry could not resist.
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