Prince Andrew accuser seeks evidence he could not sweat
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Robert Maxwell ???????
Robert Maxwell, the flamboyant head of one of the world's biggest media empires, was discovered dead in the sea yesterday after disappearing from his yacht off the Canary Islands.
As London business analysts were predicting the break-up of his business empire under the pressure of £3bn debts, his widow Elizabeth and their son Philip flew to Gran Canaria and identified his body at the Gando air base. They later flew to Tenerife, where the inquiry into the death will be held.
The body of the Daily Mirror publisher was winched from the Atlantic by a Spanish helicopter 20 miles south-west of Gran Canaria. Spanish national radio said he was unclothed and showed no sign of violence.
An agreement between Virginia Giuffre and *** offender Jeffrey Epstein, which could be key to a civil case involving the Duke of York, is to be made public for the first time later.
The 2009 settlement between Epstein and Ms Giuffre is to be released on Monday after an order by judges in the US.
Prince Andrew's lawyers believe it could release him from liability in the case brought by Ms Giuffre, who accuses him of sexual assault when she was 17.
He has consistently denied the claims.
Andrew B Brettler, who represents the duke, had argued at a previous hearing that the "settlement agreement" would end Ms Giuffre's lawsuit against Andrew.
The settlement was reached between Ms Giuffre, also known as Virginia Roberts, and the prince's former friend and convicted *** offender Jeffrey Epstein, who died in prison in 2019.
Mr Brettler had previously told a New York hearing the agreement "releases Prince Andrew and others from any purported liability arising from the claims Ms Giuffre asserted against Prince Andrew here".
US District Judge Lewis A Kaplan, who is presiding over the civil case, is due to hold a video teleconference on Tuesday when a request by the duke's legal team to dismiss the case will be heard.
Ms Giuffre is suing the Queen's son for allegedly sexually assaulting her in London, New York and the Virgin Islands when she was a teenager.
She is seeking unspecified damages, but there is speculation the sum could be in the millions of dollars.
She claims she was trafficked by disgraced financier Epstein to have *** with Andrew when she was 17 and a minor under US law.
Andrew, 61, has denied all the allegations, telling BBC Newsnight in 2019: "It didn't happen. I can absolutely categorically tell you it never happened. I have no recollection of ever meeting this lady, none whatsoever."
Judge Kaplan last week denied a motion from Andrew's lawyers to halt the civil proceedings while the issue of where Ms Giuffre, now 38 and thought to be residing in Australia, lives is dealt with.
Last week, Ms Giuffre's lawyers said they were seeking proof of Andrew's claim he had an inability to sweat, which he said showed a "problem" with her account of an evening with the duke.
"I didn't sweat at the time because I had suffered what I would describe as an overdose of adrenalin in the Falklands War when I was shot at and it was almost impossible for me to sweat," he told Newsnight.
Ghislaine Maxwell, Epstein's former girlfriend and Andrew's friend, faces the rest of her life in jail after she was convicted last week of helping to procure teenage girls for the disgraced financier to sexually abuse.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59857168
The 2009 settlement between Epstein and Ms Giuffre is to be released on Monday after an order by judges in the US.
Prince Andrew's lawyers believe it could release him from liability in the case brought by Ms Giuffre, who accuses him of sexual assault when she was 17.
He has consistently denied the claims.
Andrew B Brettler, who represents the duke, had argued at a previous hearing that the "settlement agreement" would end Ms Giuffre's lawsuit against Andrew.
The settlement was reached between Ms Giuffre, also known as Virginia Roberts, and the prince's former friend and convicted *** offender Jeffrey Epstein, who died in prison in 2019.
Mr Brettler had previously told a New York hearing the agreement "releases Prince Andrew and others from any purported liability arising from the claims Ms Giuffre asserted against Prince Andrew here".
US District Judge Lewis A Kaplan, who is presiding over the civil case, is due to hold a video teleconference on Tuesday when a request by the duke's legal team to dismiss the case will be heard.
Ms Giuffre is suing the Queen's son for allegedly sexually assaulting her in London, New York and the Virgin Islands when she was a teenager.
She is seeking unspecified damages, but there is speculation the sum could be in the millions of dollars.
She claims she was trafficked by disgraced financier Epstein to have *** with Andrew when she was 17 and a minor under US law.
Andrew, 61, has denied all the allegations, telling BBC Newsnight in 2019: "It didn't happen. I can absolutely categorically tell you it never happened. I have no recollection of ever meeting this lady, none whatsoever."
Judge Kaplan last week denied a motion from Andrew's lawyers to halt the civil proceedings while the issue of where Ms Giuffre, now 38 and thought to be residing in Australia, lives is dealt with.
Last week, Ms Giuffre's lawyers said they were seeking proof of Andrew's claim he had an inability to sweat, which he said showed a "problem" with her account of an evening with the duke.
"I didn't sweat at the time because I had suffered what I would describe as an overdose of adrenalin in the Falklands War when I was shot at and it was almost impossible for me to sweat," he told Newsnight.
Ghislaine Maxwell, Epstein's former girlfriend and Andrew's friend, faces the rest of her life in jail after she was convicted last week of helping to procure teenage girls for the disgraced financier to sexually abuse.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59857168
I don't see how a high-profile criminal who no doubt should have been on "suicide watch" considering the situation would also have access to items that can be fashioned to hang oneself.
A conspiracy can only work if there are very few players and this would be one.
This conspiracy is doable if not true.
That Prince sounds like the former US President:
"I never...."
Evidence.
"Well, I don't recall, maybe once but not more than that...."
More photos.
"Well, I'm famous, I take photos with a lot of people...."
More evidence.
"it's those lousy _____ trying to get me...."
"I never...."
Evidence.
"Well, I don't recall, maybe once but not more than that...."
More photos.
"Well, I'm famous, I take photos with a lot of people...."
More evidence.
"it's those lousy _____ trying to get me...."
Prince Andrew accuser’s 2009 deal with Jeffrey Epstein made public
By Dominic Casciani
Home and legal correspondent
Published 1 hour ago
Virginia Giuffre agreed not to sue anyone connected to Jeffrey Epstein who could be described as a "potential defendant", a 2009 damages settlement against the *** offender shows.
The document, disclosed by a New York court, reveals the financier paid her $500,000 (£371,000) to end her claim.
Ms Giuffre is suing the Duke of York in a civil case for allegedly sexually assaulting her when she was a teenager.
He has consistently denied the claims.
Ms Giuffre alleges that 20 years ago she was trafficked to the prince by Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell.
The document was released ahead of a critical hearing on Tuesday in the civil case involving Prince Andrew.
The prince's lawyers say this previously-secret 2009 deal means she cannot sue him - because she agreed to end all legal action against anyone connected to the offender who could be described as a "potential defendant".
A source in Prince Andrew's legal team said "Giuffre referred to 'royalty' in her 2009 claim [against Jeffrey Epstein] and that means Prince Andrew was covered by the deal".
Epstein died in prison in 2019, while Maxwell was last week convicted of recruiting and trafficking young girls to be abused by the late financier.
But Ms Giuffre's legal team say the terms of the Florida settlement are irrelevant to her case against the Prince - which alleges sexual abuse by the royal in New York, London and the US Virgin Islands.
In her 2009 claim against Epstein, lawyers for Ms Giuffre said she was lured into a world of sexual abuse at his Florida home when she was a teenager.
They added: "In addition to being continually exploited to satisfy defendant's [Epstein] every sexual whim, [Ms Giuffre] was also required to be sexually exploited by defendant's adult male peers, including royalty, politicians, academicians, businessmen and or other professional and personal acquaintances."
That case never went to trial because on 17 November 2009 Jeffrey Epstein agreed to pay her $500,000 to stop it in its tracks. That deal was confidential until now - but has been made public because of its potential importance to the Prince Andrew case.
In the document, Ms Giuffre, also referred to by her unmarried name Roberts, agreed to "release, acquit, satisfy, and forever discharge" Epstein and "any other person or entity who could have been included as a potential defendant".
The settlement's wording says she discharges "potential defendants" from any US legal action, including damages claims dating "from the beginning of the world".
"It is further agreed that this Settlement Agreement represents a final resolution of a disputed claim and is intended to avoid litigation. This Settlement Agreement shall not be construed to be an admission of liability or fault by any party.
"The Parties further confirm and acknowledge that this Settlement Agreement is being entered into without any duress or undue influence, and that they have had a full and complete opportunity to discuss the terms of the Settlement Agreement with their own attorneys."
The precise meaning of that wording is expected to be the subject of intense legal arguments in New York on Tuesday.
During a scheduled hearing, the duke's lawyers are expected to say it means Ms Giuffre's damages claim - which they say is baseless - must be halted.
In filings to the New York court last month, Andrew B. Brettler, the duke's lead lawyer, said the Epstein settlement's plain language would be clear once it was released to the public.
"Epstein negotiated for this broad release, insisting that it cover any and all persons who Giuffre identified as potential targets of future lawsuits, regardless of the merit— or lack thereof —to any such claims," he said.
"Giuffre's baseless claims against Prince Andrew ... must be dismissed at this stage."
Ms Giuffre's lawyers say the Florida settlement is irrelevant.
In their own court filings they have told the court that the Epstein deal is "outside the four corners" of her action against Prince Andrew because it does not cover her claims against him.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59861831
By Dominic Casciani
Home and legal correspondent
Published 1 hour ago
Virginia Giuffre agreed not to sue anyone connected to Jeffrey Epstein who could be described as a "potential defendant", a 2009 damages settlement against the *** offender shows.
The document, disclosed by a New York court, reveals the financier paid her $500,000 (£371,000) to end her claim.
Ms Giuffre is suing the Duke of York in a civil case for allegedly sexually assaulting her when she was a teenager.
He has consistently denied the claims.
Ms Giuffre alleges that 20 years ago she was trafficked to the prince by Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell.
The document was released ahead of a critical hearing on Tuesday in the civil case involving Prince Andrew.
The prince's lawyers say this previously-secret 2009 deal means she cannot sue him - because she agreed to end all legal action against anyone connected to the offender who could be described as a "potential defendant".
A source in Prince Andrew's legal team said "Giuffre referred to 'royalty' in her 2009 claim [against Jeffrey Epstein] and that means Prince Andrew was covered by the deal".
Epstein died in prison in 2019, while Maxwell was last week convicted of recruiting and trafficking young girls to be abused by the late financier.
But Ms Giuffre's legal team say the terms of the Florida settlement are irrelevant to her case against the Prince - which alleges sexual abuse by the royal in New York, London and the US Virgin Islands.
In her 2009 claim against Epstein, lawyers for Ms Giuffre said she was lured into a world of sexual abuse at his Florida home when she was a teenager.
They added: "In addition to being continually exploited to satisfy defendant's [Epstein] every sexual whim, [Ms Giuffre] was also required to be sexually exploited by defendant's adult male peers, including royalty, politicians, academicians, businessmen and or other professional and personal acquaintances."
That case never went to trial because on 17 November 2009 Jeffrey Epstein agreed to pay her $500,000 to stop it in its tracks. That deal was confidential until now - but has been made public because of its potential importance to the Prince Andrew case.
In the document, Ms Giuffre, also referred to by her unmarried name Roberts, agreed to "release, acquit, satisfy, and forever discharge" Epstein and "any other person or entity who could have been included as a potential defendant".
The settlement's wording says she discharges "potential defendants" from any US legal action, including damages claims dating "from the beginning of the world".
"It is further agreed that this Settlement Agreement represents a final resolution of a disputed claim and is intended to avoid litigation. This Settlement Agreement shall not be construed to be an admission of liability or fault by any party.
"The Parties further confirm and acknowledge that this Settlement Agreement is being entered into without any duress or undue influence, and that they have had a full and complete opportunity to discuss the terms of the Settlement Agreement with their own attorneys."
The precise meaning of that wording is expected to be the subject of intense legal arguments in New York on Tuesday.
During a scheduled hearing, the duke's lawyers are expected to say it means Ms Giuffre's damages claim - which they say is baseless - must be halted.
In filings to the New York court last month, Andrew B. Brettler, the duke's lead lawyer, said the Epstein settlement's plain language would be clear once it was released to the public.
"Epstein negotiated for this broad release, insisting that it cover any and all persons who Giuffre identified as potential targets of future lawsuits, regardless of the merit— or lack thereof —to any such claims," he said.
"Giuffre's baseless claims against Prince Andrew ... must be dismissed at this stage."
Ms Giuffre's lawyers say the Florida settlement is irrelevant.
In their own court filings they have told the court that the Epstein deal is "outside the four corners" of her action against Prince Andrew because it does not cover her claims against him.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59861831
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What basically amounts to an NDE and being paid to honor it doesn't make any sense, certainly not ethically, and shouldn't legally. If I knocked someone off and gave their spouse $500K and got a signed NDE to keep quiet, how is--I mean how would that be okay?
Perhaps she's run out of money...
You mean the money that Epstein paid her to keep her mouth shut?
Something like that. I wonder if she asked Andy for a bung before going public?
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One of the many things wrong with the US justice system. 'Blood Money' is having a significant rise around the world. (I hate NDAs, how people hide corruption and other wrong doings ffs!)
I agree. It just shows the world that you can buy your way out of trouble.
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I bet he's thinking.."who IS this old woman?.."
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