Old cars big money.

[Chippy_Tea]

Whereas in reality, this is where most of these types of car end up

It doesn't matter to me where or how they store these cars they paid top money it's there choice, how many of those aforementioned multi million pound paintings do you think are hanging on their owners livingroom walls very few I bet most will be in a safe and only viewed occasionally if ever.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

I can see it. If you have the cash you'd be all over it. Modern cars are ****. Well they are great but they are ****. Some people

I would love an old Cortina or Capri as a second car to take out at the weekends but I wouldn't like to go back to HT leads, a distributer cap, points that need regularly adjusting, and all the other joys old cars would bring if running one full time again.
I love the gadgets modern cars now have and I will never own another car that doesn't have air con, as well as AC I would not like to give up my screen in the car it has so many great features one of the main ones being the reversing camera, then there are the other conveniences like cruise control, speed warnings, emergency breaking etc that once you have you wouldn't like to be without.

 

[hoppyscotty]

True but there is something about having half a chance of fixing a broken car and not being left feeling like every time there is an issue the vultures are circling waiting to fleece you. At least if you have half an idea what's wrong you can try to shop around for a specific bill of work, but often its just a bunch of error codes spat out from the ECU none of which are the root cause and requires a several hundred quids worth more, 'investigative' work (ie. scatter gun a load of parts swaps hoping to stumble across the issue) to establish what the real problem is before you get the proper bill.

Just wait till EV's get older and suffer from the usual wear and tear and corrosion impacts that cars suffer over time...if alot of electrical issues of ICE cars is down to corroded earth points or some corroded contact in a multi-pin connector somewhere in the guts of the wiring loom that is almost impossible to track down, imagine what a 15 year old EV is going to be like....With ICE cars these days pretty much all unreliability issues are down to electrical or electronic issues and usually down to a corroded connector or chaffed wire or something. Your local mechanic down the road wont stand a chance and that'll push everyone to the big dealers. My brother has an Tesla that has just dropped out of the warranty period. He has had an intermittent issue for some time with his and Tesla have utterly failed many times to track it down and fix it and now he's out of his warranty period they're trying to charge him for ongoing investigative work...he's obviously telling them they're having a laugh since they've failed to locate and fix the issue for some time. If cars have become too complicated and hard to fix for the OEM then nobody else stands a chance.

Oh and remember the good old days when you could change a lightbulb yourself instead of having to replace an entire headlight unit at the cost of several hundred, if not thousand pounds requiring the removal of the whole front end of the car?...No wonder insurance costs are sky-rocketing.

Do like heated seats and steering wheel though...always poo poo'd those things till I got a car with them, but with more and more milder winters I'm using those things less and less.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Do like heated seats and steering wheel though...

Two things i still haven't had along with a heated front screen which i would like.

 

[Larse]

True but there is something about having half a chance of fixing a broken car and not being left feeling like every time there is an issue the vultures are circling waiting to fleece you. At least if you have half an idea what's wrong you can try to shop around for a specific bill of work, but often its just a bunch of error codes spat out from the ECU none of which are the root cause and requires a several hundred quids worth more, 'investigative' work (ie. scatter gun a load of parts swaps hoping to stumble across the issue) to establish what the real problem is before you get the proper bill.

Just wait till EV's get older and suffer from the usual wear and tear and corrosion impacts that cars suffer over time...if alot of electrical issues of ICE cars is down to corroded earth points or some corroded contact in a multi-pin connector somewhere in the guts of the wiring loom that is almost impossible to track down, imagine what a 15 year old EV is going to be like....With ICE cars these days pretty much all unreliability issues are down to electrical or electronic issues and usually down to a corroded connector or chaffed wire or something. Your local mechanic down the road wont stand a chance and that'll push everyone to the big dealers. My brother has an Tesla that has just dropped out of the warranty period. He has had an intermittent issue for some time with his and Tesla have utterly failed many times to track it down and fix it and now he's out of his warranty period they're trying to charge him for ongoing investigative work...he's obviously telling them they're having a laugh since they've failed to locate and fix the issue for some time. If cars have become too complicated and hard to fix for the OEM then nobody else stands a chance.

Oh and remember the good old days when you could change a lightbulb yourself instead of having to replace an entire headlight unit at the cost of several hundred, if not thousand pounds requiring the removal of the whole front end of the car?...No wonder insurance costs are sky-rocketing.

Do like heated seats and steering wheel though...always poo poo'd those things till I got a car with them, but with more and more milder winters I'm using those things less and less.

The CAN Bus has completely changed the way cars are wired. A two wire system that's far more robust than the old multi-wire looms in older cars that would actually have multiple earth connection failures that are hard to track down. It's calculated to have saved up to 20Kg of wiring in a car.

Your brother's intermittent fault is one of the hardest to troubleshoot. In any system. By definition it doesn't fault all the time, so troubleshooting is frustrating and difficult and requires a lot of time which is something customers and mechanics don't like. So the preference is to kick the can down the road until the fault is permanent.

 

[hoppyscotty]

Two things i still haven't had along with a heated front screen which i would like.

Ah the heated windscreen is absolutely the best thing since whatever the car equivalent to sliced bread is...sould very well be heated screen. You use that just as much in summer as you do in winter...utterly brilliant and better than any windscreen clearing method that doesnt involve the fine heated mesh in the laminated windscreen.

CANBUS is a blessing in disguise. I can see why it's attractive to manufacturers and potentially has the benefit of upgrading features in the future...but it's clearly not very well developed yet. I had an S Max some time ago and that had an issue with windscreen wipers having a mind of their own and a major electricity leak meaning it went through batteries like there was no tomorrow. Turned out the windscreen wiper issue was actually due to a faulty alarm siren issue (which was due to corroded contacts since it was positioned inside the nearside wheel arch and so got wet) and the current leakage issue was due to a faulty bluetooth module...none of the codes generated related to either the BT module or the alarm siren.

 

[Larse]

Turned out the windscreen wiper issue was actually due to a faulty alarm siren issue (which was due to corroded contacts since it was positioned inside the nearside wheel arch and so got wet)

Was that an after market alarm fitting? Doesn't seem like a clever place for a manufacturer to put electrical gubbins.

 

[The Baron]

Canbus will never work efficiently because it uses the same wiring for more than one sector of the vehicles system and thats why you can get really bad faults and wrong diagnosis of issues with cars.

 

[hoppyscotty]

Was that an after market alarm fitting? Doesn't seem like a clever place for a manufacturer to put electrical gubbins.

no was factory alarm. Yes was a major flaw. Once you knew you knew and was an easy fix, just remove the liner and replace. I guess they thought the liner would protect it more than it did. But turned out setting off the windscreen wipers was a common symptom of that particular issue.

 

[Bjorn Toulouse]

my car is a 2001 audi A2 had it since new, it has electric windows and central locking, what more do you need?

 

[Larse]

my car is a 2001 audi A2 had it since new, it has electric windows and central locking, what more do you need?

Interesting car. All aluminium. Which one do you have? Petrol or diesel? And is it still as economical as when new?

 

[Bjorn Toulouse]

1.4 tdi, still get 60ish to the gallon done 156000 miles. £16 road tax and £96 to insure (In Glasgow!)
So its basically a free car. Saying that normally it has one repair a year. This year its a steering alignment sensor (whatever that is) Next year I'll treat it to a new gearbox selector bush set. Best of all its big inside and small and skinny outside, oh and a hoot to drive. The Mrs has a MB GLA200d. Nice car with all the toys very comfortable place to be. I prefer the wee audi.
The others we have are a 2006 Peugeot Boxer based motor home that goes to Europe every year, we are usualy the oldest van in camp. Oh, and a couple of Vespas.
Now if you want to see ridiculous priced vehicles that go straight to collections check out the Lambretta SX200 or the TV200. Hidden not ridden.

 

[Larse]

1.4 tdi, still get 60ish to the gallon done 156000 miles. £16 road tax and £96 to insure (In Glasgow!)
So its basically a free car. Saying that normally it has one repair a year. This year its a steering alignment sensor (whatever that is) Next year I'll treat it to a new gearbox selector bush set. Best of all its big inside and small and skinny outside, oh and a hoot to drive. The Mrs has a MB GLA200d. Nice car with all the toys very comfortable place to be. I prefer the wee audi.
The others we have are a 2006 Peugeot Boxer based motor home that goes to Europe every year, we are usualy the oldest van in camp. Oh, and a couple of Vespas.
Now if you want to see ridiculous priced vehicles that go straight to collections check out the Lambretta SX200 or the TV200. Hidden not ridden.

If you want to get parts for it, there's a guy in Cork with two of them and loads of spares. May have got rid of them since, but the ad is still up on DoneDeal.

Never sold well for Audi. Too expensive with the aluminium construction, but was a great concept.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

what more do you need?

If you are happy with the car great, with out summers getting into the high teens on many days i am happy i have A/C it also helps demist on wet days.

 

[Old Fart At Play]

my car is a 2001 audi A2 had it since new, it has electric windows and central locking, what more do you need?

I had one for 3 years, lovely car, unfortunately mine was petrol and I only got 38mpg. I would have kept it otherwise.

 

[eyuptm]

If you want to get parts for it, there's a guy in Cork with two of them and loads of spares. May have got rid of them since, but the ad is still up on DoneDeal.

Never sold well for Audi. Too expensive with the aluminium construction, but was a great concept.

They lost money on every one they sold!! Still a great technical tour de force- in fact I'm looking for one as a tow-behind our motorhome....