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my brew is now sitting at 20c...
so i think its finished fermenting ...
but ill wait till 2moro to take another reading with my hydrometer...
then if it looks finished ...
ill take another sunday ...
if its the same ...
ill transsfer in to my other fv with a tape on...

then leave it in there as you said scott ...
for another week...

i wont to drink it now :drink: ...
but ill wait ...
ill have to have a cains dark mild insted...lol...
regards mick... :hat: .
 
well couldnt wait so i took a reading just now ...
its 1.010...
so still dropping ... :thumb:
regards mick... :hat: .
 
I never bother with secondary but, in your case and as Scott has suggested, I think I'd make an exception.

Either way there is no rush to bottle. It'll need at least a week after fermentation has finished to clear up. Only then should you consider bottling.
 
jonnymorris said:
I never bother with secondary but, in your case and as Scott has suggested, I think I'd make an exception.

Either way there is no rush to bottle. It'll need at least a week after fermentation has finished to clear up. Only then should you consider bottling.

thanks jonnymorris... :thumb: .

when fermentation has finished ....
i will put it in the secondary as scott says ...
it ends up clearer...
so i think its well worth giving it a go ...

regards mick... :hat: .
 
mick may said:
it ends up clearer...
Personally, I don't think it'll make any difference to the clarifty of your brew. It would be worth getting it out of your dirty FV though.
 
jonnymorris said:
mick may said:
it ends up clearer...
Personally, I don't think it'll make any difference to the clarifty of your brew. It would be worth getting it out of your dirty FV though.

In my head I see a few advantages.

Firstly getting it off of the mixing solids makes the remaining solids more likely to drop out. Even though the gravity will change only a little by taking it off the trub, there will still be a difference making it more likely for remaining solids to fall.

Secondly, putting it into secondary means that rather than eating all the dead yeast in the trub the live yeast are forced to get tucked into the remaining solids thus clearing the beer further. While it's in the primary a fair whack of the yeast will happily cannibalise what's at the bottom of the bucket, and ignore the dribs and drabs in the brew itself.

Thirdly as I understand it munching on the dead yeast constantly leads to mutations? That being the case when it comes to priming/bottle conditioning you will also have more mutated strains working on the sugars thus creating different flavours than with normal healthy yeast.

Lastly if you have had a fairly big fermentation then the foamy head on the top sides of the bucket will be more susceptible to infection and thus risk your beer at the later stages.

The only disadvantages I see is that additional equipment will be required (additional FV), it will take some time to do the process and if you don't clean things properly you are risking infection. IMO the risk of infection is minimal, something would need to be really wrong to cause an infection when transferring as the yeast colonies should be massive and able to handle themselves amicably by that stage. I have often wondered if people having issues when transferring have already had the issues in the primary, and just not noticed, as IMO the primary is the most likely place to pick up an infection.

This is all my own thinking though, logically it makes sense to me... I understand it won't to everyone :)
 
ScottM said:
jonnymorris said:
mick may said:
it ends up clearer...
Personally, I don't think it'll make any difference to the clarifty of your brew. It would be worth getting it out of your dirty FV though.

In my head I see a few advantages.

Firstly getting it off of the mixing solids makes the remaining solids more likely to drop out. Even though the gravity will change only a little by taking it off the trub, there will still be a difference making it more likely for remaining solids to fall.

Secondly, putting it into secondary means that rather than eating all the dead yeast in the trub the live yeast are forced to get tucked into the remaining solids thus clearing the beer further. While it's in the primary a fair whack of the yeast will happily cannibalise what's at the bottom of the bucket, and ignore the dribs and drabs in the brew itself.

Thirdly as I understand it munching on the dead yeast constantly leads to mutations? That being the case when it comes to priming/bottle conditioning you will also have more mutated strains working on the sugars thus creating different flavours than with normal healthy yeast.

Lastly if you have had a fairly big fermentation then the foamy head on the top sides of the bucket will be more susceptible to infection and thus risk your beer at the later stages.

The only disadvantages I see is that additional equipment will be required (additional FV), it will take some time to do the process and if you don't clean things properly you are risking infection. IMO the risk of infection is minimal, something would need to be really wrong to cause an infection when transferring as the yeast colonies should be massive and able to handle themselves amicably by that stage. I have often wondered if people having issues when transferring have already had the issues in the primary, and just not noticed, as IMO the primary is the most likely place to pick up an infection.

This is all my own thinking though, logically it makes sense to me... I understand it won't to everyone :)

thanks scott... :thumb: .

ill be going with your advice ...
i already sanitised my other fermenter ...
at the same time as my first one ...
but i will do it again ...

just to be sure its still good to go ...
and only then will it be transferred ...

but all this is in the waiting...
as its not had the same reading for 2/3 days yet ...
as its still dropiong ...
ill do a reading this afternoon to see if its the same as yesturday....
or still dropping ...

regards mick... :hat: .
 
mick may said:
thanks scott... :thumb: .

ill be going with your advice ...
i already sanitised my other fermenter ...
at the same time as my first one ...
but i will do it again ...

just to be sure its still good to go ...
and only then will it be transferred ...

but all this is in the waiting...
as its not had the same reading for 2/3 days yet ...
as its still dropiong ...
ill do a reading this afternoon to see if its the same as yesturday....
or still dropping ...

regards mick... :hat: .

Don't worry about taking readings at the moment bud. You don't need fermentation to be finished before transferring to secondary, as long as it's done for the most part it's perfectly fine to transfer. In fact it's advisable as there will be loads of active hungry yeast available to protect against infection during the transfer process.

So... if I were you I'd be transferring just now and then not touching it till at least next weekend. I would then check the gravity over Sat/Sun/Mon and if all is good, get bottling :D
 
ScottM said:
mick may said:
thanks scott... :thumb: .

ill be going with your advice ...
i already sanitised my other fermenter ...
at the same time as my first one ...
but i will do it again ...

just to be sure its still good to go ...
and only then will it be transferred ...

but all this is in the waiting...
as its not had the same reading for 2/3 days yet ...
as its still dropiong ...
ill do a reading this afternoon to see if its the same as yesturday....
or still dropping ...

regards mick... :hat: .

Don't worry about taking readings at the moment bud. You don't need fermentation to be finished before transferring to secondary, as long as it's done for the most part it's perfectly fine to transfer. In fact it's advisable as there will be loads of active hungry yeast available to protect against infection during the transfer process.

So... if I were you I'd be transferring just now and then not touching it till at least next weekend. I would then check the gravity over Sat/Sun/Mon and if all is good, get bottling :D


ok scott ... :thumb: .
ill do it later ...
thank you very much .....

regards mick... :hat: .
 
ok iv done the deed...
its now in no 2 fermenter...
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theres was only 10mm...
of sludge in the bottom ...

regards mick... :hat: .
 
hi all ...
its monday...
and iv done another hydrometer reading...

its reading 1.012...

it was 1.010 last week....

so i can only think its fermenting again ...
after being moved...
from the first fv to this one ...

whats your thoughts ???

regards mick.... :hat: .
 
mick may said:
hi all ...
its monday...
and iv done another hydrometer reading...

its reading 1.012...

it was 1.010 last week....

so i can only think its fermenting again ...
after being moved...
from the first fv to this one ...

whats your thoughts ???

regards mick.... :hat: .


Something wrong with the reading then I would guess. Nothing can increase the FG other than putting in more sugars/dissolvable solids.

My guess is that the 1.010 was a mis-read and that it was actually 1.012.
 
ScottM said:
mick may said:
hi all ...
its monday...
and iv done another hydrometer reading...

its reading 1.012...

it was 1.010 last week....

so i can only think its fermenting again ...
after being moved...
from the first fv to this one ...

whats your thoughts ???

regards mick.... :hat: .


Something wrong with the reading then I would guess. Nothing can increase the FG other than putting in more sugars/dissolvable solids.

My guess is that the 1.010 was a mis-read and that it was actually 1.012.

thanks scott as always...
i think you are right .. :thumb: .
i was baffaled over it ...
but then that dont take much doing ....lol...

ill take another reading on sat/sunday...
and if its the same ill bottle it....

regards mick... :hat: .
 
well last night My curiosity got the better of me...
i drew off about half a pint ...
and i must say it really has to improve for me to like this stout ...
its hoppy yeasty not at all like what i thought it would be ...

in a stout im used to a smooth rich flavor ...
all yours sounds great ...
im not happy with this as it is ....
i no its not finished yet ...
but it needs to get alot better than it is now...
or its going down the bog... :sulk:
regards mick... :hat: .
 
be patient. beers never taste good at this stage, all you are wanting is that the beer does not taste off or bad or has nasty smells.
Let it rest for a week then bottle. The beer will improve massively in the bottle in the first few weeks.
 
You really need to be a lot more patient when you are making your own beer. I know it's exciting and worrying at the same time but it's really important that things are left alone and given time to sort themselves out. Every time you lift the lid of your FV you are allowing germs and bacteria into the wort. If something nasty gets in there it can make its own home and the "good bacteria" in your beer won't be able to stop it.

Don't worry though.... we all did it :D
 
piddledribble said:
be patient. beers never taste good at this stage, all you are wanting is that the beer does not taste off or bad or has nasty smells.
Let it rest for a week then bottle. The beer will improve massively in the bottle in the first few weeks.

thanks piddledribble ... :thumb:

its just every one on here says how good theres tasted at this stage ...
and i didnt get that ...
so i was disapointed ...

but yes ill wait to blottle it as scott has already told me to ...
ill be doing that saturday /sunday...
i just hope after i wiat a month it will be a pleasant surprise...

regards mick... :hat:
 
ScottM said:
You really need to be a lot more patient when you are making your own beer. I know it's exciting and worrying at the same time but it's really important that things are left alone and given time to sort themselves out. Every time you lift the lid of your FV you are allowing germs and bacteria into the wort. If something nasty gets in there it can make its own home and the "good bacteria" in your beer won't be able to stop it.

Don't worry though.... we all did it :D

thanks scott... :thumb: .

yes it is all exciting and worrying at the same time...
and i no i need to be more patient...

its just it was so disapointing ...
up to what others said about there coopers stout at the same stage ...

by the way i opend the tap to get this out not the lid...

i must admit it took along time to dribble out ...
as the air lock was still in place ...

as i said just now ill wait till the weekend to bottle it ...

and i will have it for 2 weeks in the warm ..
then in my shed for a minimum of 2 weeks ...

fingers x ....
it will be very nice ...

regards mick... :hat: .
 
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