Malt grains in basket BEFORE or AFTER water ?

[Barone]

In Single Vessel pans... First malt grains inside the basket, before the water... or first water in the basket and then malt grains ?
In Brewzilla gen 4 I have been looking at forums that : A couple of pro tips to wrap things up. First, is to make sure you add your grains to the malt pipe BEFORE you lower it into the vessel. This ensures the weight of the grain keeps the bottom plate in place, so that as you lower it down, the water doesn’t push the bottom plate out of position and create a sneak path for whole grains to get through

 

[Caramel Ox]

If you need to hold the plate in position use the mash paddle as you lower it. The malt pipe can go in at the start before heating so you can both see it’s position and sort it out by hand if you need to.

The malt will not weigh down the plate as described because it is more or less buoyant in water at least at the start of the mash.

 

[robster62]

In Single Vessel pans... First malt grains inside the basket, before the water... or first water in the basket and then malt grains ?
In Brewzilla gen 4 I have been looking at forums that : A couple of pro tips to wrap things up. First, is to make sure you add your grains to the malt pipe BEFORE you lower it into the vessel. This ensures the weight of the grain keeps the bottom plate in place, so that as you lower it down, the water doesn’t push the bottom plate out of position and create a sneak path for whole grains to get through

How would you get rid of the clumps of grain this way? Surely adding the grain while the malt pipe is in the water means you can stir out clumps as you add more grain.

 

[Rwilts]

How would you get rid of the clumps of grain this way? Surely adding the grain while the malt pipe is in the water means you can stir out clumps as you add more grain.

You can still stir after , but it's not a method I will be partaking in .

 

[fluketamer]

very minimal stirring needed when putting the grain in first then lowering the tun . almost none. especially with a thin mash

 

[MashBag]

I have a loose bottom.
I fill with water, treat it, stir.
Insert mash tube and bottom sieve, then the grain. Stir. Sorted.

A side issue. If your top plate slides to sit on top of the grain. Stop it moving. Use silicone tube. Soooo much better.

 

[tondy79]

I am a fan of putting the malt in the grain basket and lowering into the brewzilla (in my case).

I lower it in slowly, allowing the water to trickle through the grain and let it feel like water is pulling the basket away from me. This ends up being similar to underletting.

I still give the grain a good old stir, but when I do it this way I don't worry at all about dough balls, and I find it less irksome than adding grain to the water.

I put the grain basket in a bucket whilst I fill it, and then add the small floury bits that fall through to the top of the grain bed once it's in the water and a bit settled

Try it, you might like it

 

[Rwilts]

'Try it, you might like it '

It starts with a little underletting but before you know it your checking ph on a 3 vessel HIRMS setup ...

 

[tondy79]

'Try it, you might like it '

It starts with a little underletting but before you know it your checking ph on a 3 vessel HIRMS setup ...

haha, exactly!

 

[Druncan]

As @tondy79 says,, But I don't stir as I consider all the grain is wetted by the gradual underletting. I then slowly circulate as soon as it's down and top up with treated sparge liquor once in balance. After mashout I crank the hoist gradually and sparge the remainder with a rotating sprinkler as lifting it then drain and chuck in the drainage,,,,, Is this wrong? as it seems easy and produces lovely clear wort with little slurry. (Klarstein Brauheld 65) Grain pre-mixed in tubs and homogenised.

No nightmares of 3 vessel cleanups here

 

[Rwilts]

Pretty sure @chopps was under letting to begin with...

 

[chopps]

Pretty sure @chopps was under letting to begin with...

I did, but there was 150kg of grain on my slack bottom so it wasn't going to move much.
On my 50L home kit I had a mash basket stood inside the vessel so the bottom was not an issue

 

[Barone]

I am a fan of putting the malt in the grain basket and lowering into the brewzilla (in my case).

I lower it in slowly, allowing the water to trickle through the grain and let it feel like water is pulling the basket away from me. This ends up being similar to underletting.

I still give the grain a good old stir, but when I do it this way I don't worry at all about dough balls, and I find it less irksome than adding grain to the water.

I put the grain basket in a bucket whilst I fill it, and then add the small floury bits that fall through to the top of the grain bed once it's in the water and a bit settled

Try it, you might like it

thanks

 

[MashBag]

I might have to mess about a with a bit of pipe, to cover the centre rod but I will give it a go.

Do you lose any flour/dust?

 

[Druncan]

Flour dust goes over the top with a dead rat