Malt grains in basket BEFORE or AFTER water ?

[Barone]

In Single Vessel pans... First malt grains inside the basket, before the water... or first water in the basket and then malt grains ?
In Brewzilla gen 4 I have been looking at forums that : A couple of pro tips to wrap things up. First, is to make sure you add your grains to the malt pipe BEFORE you lower it into the vessel. This ensures the weight of the grain keeps the bottom plate in place, so that as you lower it down, the water doesn’t push the bottom plate out of position and create a sneak path for whole grains to get through

 

[Caramel Ox]

If you need to hold the plate in position use the mash paddle as you lower it. The malt pipe can go in at the start before heating so you can both see it’s position and sort it out by hand if you need to.

The malt will not weigh down the plate as described because it is more or less buoyant in water at least at the start of the mash.