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[MyQul]

If you go back more than two months, Corbyn and his team were not the most popular entity to have graced the Labour Party. They had been put there by the left wing Militant group and the Unions, and that doesn't sit well with many people. And this was demonstrated by Labour's poor showing in the recent Local Elections. Labour's standing with the electorate was rock bottom with a potential to go even lower.
So when the snap general election was announced Labour realised they would have to put in place a process to drag them from the abyss many talked about. People were already discussing about how they were going to depose JC post election presuming a defeat, and Tony Blair, bless, mentioned a new centre left Labour Party.
So the Labour Party policy team that sit behind him would have probably brainstormed what would be populist ideas to win them votes. It's not rocket science. Lets chuck in all the ideas we can think of which sound good, irrespective of the financial consequences should they be implemented, and in the possible belief that they would not be elected. So typically we have no fees or similar to attract the hundreds of thousands of fee paying students, and bash the business and high earners to name but two. Nationalise the railways, lets go for that as well. Most folks respond to sweeties. Trouble is the money would have run out very quickly, and then what.?
Anyway the policy worked, people voted Labour again, helped by the disastrous election campaign run by the Tories.
However in spite of the all the Labour sweeties on offer there was still a distrust of Corbyn and his team, and the bottom line is they got less votes than the Tories and also ended up with less MPs.
And now as far as the Tories are concerned some of the controversial policies they had in their manifesto have been dropped because that's a pragmatic approach to the situation they have in terms of parliamentary support.
However turn the tables and if Labour had formed a goverment because they had more votes and MP seats but still in a hung parliament do you really expect them to have carried through all of their election promises. No, they too would have taken the pragmatic approach and picked their safest policies to make sure they didn't get voted down.

Yes, Labour filled their manifesto with sweeties (Conseratives offer sweeties too when it serves them) and the Conservative have now 'pragmatically' done a massive U-turn on austerity. What this demonstrates to me is politicians from both sides (although Labour seems to have recognized it sooner than the Conservatives) now recognize that the people of the UK are exhausted from 7 years of austerity.

As far are money running out. Theres always money when politicians want to find it. HS2, Trident renewals, Bailing out banks, etc, etc.

 

[terrym]

JC may not be popular with some in his party but to say he is only popular now with the general public because of what he offered in this election is ridiculous

So if that opinion is 'ridiculous', what has significantly changed to elevate his apparent standing with the electorate from zero to apparent hero (to some) in the two month period I mentioned, all election pledges aside.

 

[Linalmeemow]

So if that opinion is 'ridiculous', what has significantly changed to elevate his apparent standing with the electorate from zero to apparent hero (to some) in the two month period I mentioned, all election pledges aside.

He never was a "zero" though, that's media influence talking. He was very popular with the grassroots from the start, you only have to look at the numbers that joined the Labour party to vote him in as party leader to see that. He's managed to grow that success to make enough ground in the general election that the media can't keep repeating the "unelectable" mantra without looking ridiculous.

 

[shepp]

Momentum ran a very good social media campaign.
They had Corbyn talking to some rapper bloke and a few other well know influential young people, he spoke well when out in public and his tired old socialist clichés were fresh to new naïve ears.
They delivered the message in bite size information, such as cartoons and meme's, which caricatured May as an evil friend to the rich and Corbyn as a nice friendly geography teacher type chap.
They don't even remember the IRA anyway.
With a low attention span and lack of depth, that a lot of young people possess, it is possible to win their vote with information of very little substance.
Just promise loads of goodies, while at the same time give the added bonus of looking really virtuous and being a member of a cool club.
Bit sheep like really.
I saw some comments a face book page where people were linking a Momentum cartoon to friends and saying, 'look this is what I told you about Labour' and others saying 'I wasn't going to vote until I watched this'. So they were actually voting because of a cartoon? When a 10 second google search would have pointed out that the claim in the cartoon, that the manifesto costs were verified with the IFS were a pack of lies.

 

[Linalmeemow]

"May as an evil friend to the rich"

- well, she's no friend to the poor. Not sure she's actually evil though.

"They don't even remember the IRA anyway."

- they don't remember the Ulster Resistance either, and nor do the Sun, Daily Mail or Express when it suits them.

"With a low attention span and lack of depth, that a lot of young people possess, it is possible to win their vote with information of very little substance."

- now there's a vote-winning attitude. Mind you, given the entire lack of substance in the Tory manifesto shouldn't they have been easy to convince?

 

[pms67]

They don't remember Maggie Thatcher either, worse than the IRA

 

[shepp]

There was no mention of the DUP before the election.
But at least they are loyalist, which is more than anybody can say for Corbyn.

 

[Linalmeemow]

There was no mention of the DUP before the election.
But at least they are loyalist, which is more than anybody can say for Corbyn.

I don't think it really matters at which point you jump in bed with terrorists, does it?

It also sounds remarkably like you're justifying terrorism, just as long as they're "our" terrorists

 

[shepp]

The DUP are a legitimate party voted for by the people of Northern Ireland. That must make these voters terrorist sympathisers judging by your rhetoric?

 

[pms67]

Teresa May is desperate, the last songs almost finished at the disco and there's one minger left.............


Loyalist is a terrible word,sounds horrendous to me,that's what old firm games v the zombies do to you

 

[Linalmeemow]

The DUP are a legitimate party voted for by the people of Northern Ireland. That must make these voters terrorist sympathisers judging by your rhetoric?

So are Sinn Fein. Do you consider Sinn Fein voters terrorist sympathisers?

Also, you've ducked the question. Do you think terrorism is OK as long as it supports your world view?

 

[Dutto]

There was no mention of the DUP before the election.
But at least they are loyalist, which is more than anybody can say for Corbyn.

Ha! Another one that can't remember the founder of the DUP and his rants! Please check out ...

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zSWlAHD29M[/ame]

... and here he is in later life being taken to task for discrimination against the Catholics of Northern Ireland.

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82_XPCdXuHk[/ame]

The reason you didn't hear about the DUP before the election is that they are a regarded with great suspicion by other UK politicians (of all parties) because of their history.

With regard to Mr. Corbyn, I have yet to see or hear him say or do anything that would indicate a lack of loyalty to ALL of the British people; even those like yourself who may disagree with his policies and beliefs.

All any of Mr. Corbyn's supporters ask is that he is not mis-quoted and that he is given a level playing field on which to put forward his views.

Obviously, for some, that is too much to ask for!

 

[bigbud78]

RIBA statement for anyone interested

https://www.architecture.com/knowle...page/riba-statement-on-design-for-fire-safety

 

[Chippy_Tea]

So if that opinion is 'ridiculous', what has significantly changed to elevate his apparent standing with the electorate from zero to apparent hero (to some) in the two month period I mentioned, all election pledges aside.

He was only ever a zero in the eyes of those who do not want to see.

This one of the many moments when i thought this guy seems a decent bloke trying to make the laughing stock known a prime ministers questions into something worth the time spent reporting it, if you don't want to watch it all at least watch the first minute.



[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TUKGijIzoI[/ame]

 

[Chippy_Tea]

He never was a "zero" though, that's media influence talking. He was very popular with the grassroots from the start, you only have to look at the numbers that joined the Labour party to vote him in as party leader to see that. He's managed to grow that success to make enough ground in the general election that the media can't keep repeating the "unelectable" mantra without looking ridiculous.

Spot on and i read this after posting the post above, as i said a zero only in the eyes of those who do not want to see!

 

[Chippy_Tea]

With a low attention span and lack of depth, that a lot of young people possess, it is possible to win their vote with information of very little substance.
Just promise loads of goodies, while at the same time give the added bonus of looking really virtuous and being a member of a cool club.
Bit sheep like really.

So in your view the majority of young voters are sheep what does that make the bumbasses that voted for Mrs Maybenot the U turn queen?

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[shepp]

So are Sinn Fein. Do you consider Sinn Fein voters terrorist sympathisers?

Also, you've ducked the question. Do you think terrorism is OK as long as it supports your world view?

No I don't think Sinn Fein to be a terrorist organisation.

I don't believe in terrorism whether it supports my world view or not.

 

[shepp]

So in your view the majority of young voters are sheep what does that make the bumbasses that voted for Mrs Maybenot the U turn queen?

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I don't think they are all sheep, maybe about 50% of them.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

I don't think they are all sheep, maybe about 50% of them.

Oh well that 50% will cancel out all the Tory bumbasses that voted for Mrs Maybenot the U turn queen i mentioned above.

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[shepp]

I just seen Camden, Tottenham and Barnet councils have high rise buildings clad in the same flammable material, I would imagine one or two of them are Labour run councils.

I thought it was just the the 'Wicked Tory's :twisted: ' that did such things to the 'poor people' they are supposed to hate :hmm: