Call me an old cynic but all it said to me is they were worried they were going to lose votes.
.
Jeremy Corbyn
- Thread starter shepp
- Start date
Help Support The Homebrew Forum:
Call me an old cynic but all it said to me is they were worried they were going to lose votes.
.
ElvisIsBeer
Member
You accept that Corbyn would be murdered in the press for much less? Yes?
ElvisIsBeer
Member
Regardless of your politics....
Do we all agree that it would be a very wrong and bad thing (probably the worst and baddest thing ever) if our country pushed the big red button first and precipitated a nuclear holocaust? Yep, all agreed? We should never be the first to push the button? OK?
And if a strike was launched against us, are we all agreed that, in that particular circumstance, the entire proposition around Mutually Assured Destruction will have failed, and the concept of a deterrent likewise? Yeah? Hard to argue with that logic?
Cheers. Just checking.
If that's the case, then why was Dimbleby pushing the point so much, and why were so many swivel-eyed ********s advocating the importance of having a PM who would consider doing either. Why is working to achieve MULTILATERAL disarmament, and trying to avoid ARMAGEDDON seen as a bad thing?
Or, as The Scum reports it:
"Mr Corbyn was then booed by the audience for repeatedly refusing to say if he would ever authorise any "first use" of nuclear weapons.
Firing Trident would mean "a failure of the world's whole diplomatic system", Mr Corbyn would only say, adding: "If we did use it, millions are going to die."
Even veteran host David Dimbleby attacked him by saying: "You're dodging the question."
And another furious audience member demanded: "Would you use it, or allow some ***** in Iran and North Korea to bomb us to bits?"
That audience member, by the way, was pressing Corbyn on how he would prevent North Korea from blowing us up....and seemed to advocate first use as a means of doing so.
The Scum also shows a picture of a Jammie Dodger biscuit and says "JEREMY Corbyn is similar to a Jammie Dodger as ââ¬Åhe dodges important questionsââ¬Â, voters have claimed. He is also like a Bourbon that ââ¬Ånobody wants but itââ¬â¢s the only one leftââ¬Â.
"A third comparison was Army rations that are ââ¬Ånot much useââ¬Â, a focus group from Welsh seats said. Drinks-wise Corbyn was likened to a bitter lemon."
Trenchant stuff indeed.
If you read that particular newspaper, I hope your knob rots off. You probably wouldn't notice anyway. You certainly won't need it, because no-one will love or care for you.
Compassion, humanity, forethought and empathy are not 'wobbly'. Not itching to do the worst is not 'wobbly'. No matter how Sky TV News reports it to you this morning.
Trump scares the heaving **** out of me, and I just hope there are enough checks and balances to prevent his personal instinct, emotion and lack of intellect from holding sway.
We should be pleased that someone with such regard for humanity as Jeremy Corbyn is prepared to lead our country. It does us credit that we can find someone of that calibre.
By the way, I've attached a photo of one particular swivel-eyed, bomb-crazy maroon. This is what Corbyn and humanity are contending with.
Pick your sides.
Do we all agree that it would be a very wrong and bad thing (probably the worst and baddest thing ever) if our country pushed the big red button first and precipitated a nuclear holocaust? Yep, all agreed? We should never be the first to push the button? OK?
And if a strike was launched against us, are we all agreed that, in that particular circumstance, the entire proposition around Mutually Assured Destruction will have failed, and the concept of a deterrent likewise? Yeah? Hard to argue with that logic?
Cheers. Just checking.
If that's the case, then why was Dimbleby pushing the point so much, and why were so many swivel-eyed ********s advocating the importance of having a PM who would consider doing either. Why is working to achieve MULTILATERAL disarmament, and trying to avoid ARMAGEDDON seen as a bad thing?
Or, as The Scum reports it:
"Mr Corbyn was then booed by the audience for repeatedly refusing to say if he would ever authorise any "first use" of nuclear weapons.
Firing Trident would mean "a failure of the world's whole diplomatic system", Mr Corbyn would only say, adding: "If we did use it, millions are going to die."
Even veteran host David Dimbleby attacked him by saying: "You're dodging the question."
And another furious audience member demanded: "Would you use it, or allow some ***** in Iran and North Korea to bomb us to bits?"
That audience member, by the way, was pressing Corbyn on how he would prevent North Korea from blowing us up....and seemed to advocate first use as a means of doing so.
The Scum also shows a picture of a Jammie Dodger biscuit and says "JEREMY Corbyn is similar to a Jammie Dodger as ââ¬Åhe dodges important questionsââ¬Â, voters have claimed. He is also like a Bourbon that ââ¬Ånobody wants but itââ¬â¢s the only one leftââ¬Â.
"A third comparison was Army rations that are ââ¬Ånot much useââ¬Â, a focus group from Welsh seats said. Drinks-wise Corbyn was likened to a bitter lemon."
Trenchant stuff indeed.
If you read that particular newspaper, I hope your knob rots off. You probably wouldn't notice anyway. You certainly won't need it, because no-one will love or care for you.
Compassion, humanity, forethought and empathy are not 'wobbly'. Not itching to do the worst is not 'wobbly'. No matter how Sky TV News reports it to you this morning.
Trump scares the heaving **** out of me, and I just hope there are enough checks and balances to prevent his personal instinct, emotion and lack of intellect from holding sway.
We should be pleased that someone with such regard for humanity as Jeremy Corbyn is prepared to lead our country. It does us credit that we can find someone of that calibre.
By the way, I've attached a photo of one particular swivel-eyed, bomb-crazy maroon. This is what Corbyn and humanity are contending with.
Pick your sides.
geetee
Landlord.
Did you see her last night when questioned about the holes in her manifesto she indicated that it was guidelines that people could follow and it's a question of Trust.
In other words we May or May not do those things that people expect us to write down , once you have voted I will then decide what I am going to do.They reserve the option to change their mind about everything, no trust at all as far as i am concerned, a promise will suffice!
Would anyone but a car, a kettle or a house with the statement "well it will cost you but I will tell you the cost AFTER you have signed the contract," not even Tory voters would be that daft, or would they?
![BREWING THERMOMETER STICKERS ACCURATELY MONITOR FERMENTING BEER & WINE LIQUID TEMPERATURES 5PCS HOME BREW SPIRITS WINE LCD ADHESIVE [US]](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/311DDjo2X3L._SL500_.jpg)
shepp
Regular.
geetee
Landlord.
He knocked over a table of bricks when he was 4 years old at nursery, you forgot to mention that one!
Keep digging and you will find the truth amongs the propaganda.
Godsdog
Landlord.
Corbyn a busted flush for me an apologetic professional pacifist with no balls to defend this country if push came to shove,sure we don't want to kill folk but it sends out the totally wrong message to the evil guys out there.fwiw the nuclear threat has kept the peace since WW2 but with more unstable countrys acquiring nuclear weapons he better be prepared to use ours
shepp
Regular.
The truth is the bloke has always sided with the enemy, there's a word for that.
geetee
Landlord.
We need to get the terminology correct, he discussed with various faction as do all Governments and leaders even the beloved Margaret talked to the IRA.
Michael Fallon was invited to Assad's inauguration party and he did not refuse, in fact he tries to keep it secret. Fallon even tried to involve the Syrian rebels from various factions including Islamic fundamentalists to join us following his bombing campaign vote in parliament.
Talking with groups , factions or other non aligned countries does not make him allied to their aims , it expresses a willingness to understand what they are trying to achieve, the starting point for any negotiation.
geetee
Landlord.
Yet another example of Tory "trust me" policies
9:30 Michael Fallon states absolutely no tax increases for the most wealthy, nothing about the rest of the people.
Mrs May in Yorkshire refused to reinforce this simply saying that they traditionally offer a lower tax regime than Labour
Trust May, she will do what she wants after she has your vote!
Stay tuned for more confusion, U turns and hidden agendas!
With Corbyn, it's all there to see, not hidden and all costed.
9:30 Michael Fallon states absolutely no tax increases for the most wealthy, nothing about the rest of the people.
Mrs May in Yorkshire refused to reinforce this simply saying that they traditionally offer a lower tax regime than Labour
Trust May, she will do what she wants after she has your vote!
Stay tuned for more confusion, U turns and hidden agendas!
With Corbyn, it's all there to see, not hidden and all costed.
Godsdog
Landlord.
and labour wont do what they want too?show me a modern day honest politician and I'll show my *** in the local supermarkets shop window,thats what budgets are for,for changing the direction of the manifesto when they have got in and have the majority clout to do so,so don't hold your breath that Corbyn will walk a straight and honest line steadfastly keeping to their over enthusiastic give back to the workers manifesto for 5 years
shepp
Regular.
Corbyn was never part of any government that held talks with the IRA.
Any Labour politician that was involved with talks will back that up.
His contact with the IRA was because of his personal support of any group that was against the UK and it's government. That I am afraid is part of the Marxist way, of wanting to break down the fabric of our society to nothing and try to build a new one from the ashes.
At least JC can be held accountable TM on the other hand isn't giving much away and If I was a Tory I would find trust me a bit of a worry.
geetee
Landlord.
You have to remember, as Chippy says above, that whatever his own personal views he is accountable to the Party. He is not like May who can launch policies on the hoof and change them without consultation. All official Labour party policy is voted for and agreed by the Party, not just the leader.
A prime example of this is in fact Trident, he opposes it, yet it remains Labour Party policy and has been voted for in the Commons, He alone can not overturn that and he has acknowledged as such in debates. The value of Trident is as a deterrent and as it is in place it works, if we ever had to use it whoever is in power then it has failed completely in it's primary purpose!
That is what Corbyn is trying to explain it's not weakness, it's absolute futility to press it in the face of Global destruction.
If you honestly believe that UK PMs of what ever political party make it up as they go along, without consulting Cabinet, Party think tanks, testing the water in parliament, and paying some attention to their manifestos, then you and I live in different worlds. We do not operate a presidential style of politics in the UK, never have.
geetee
Landlord.
Well she certainly caught most of her cabinet out by not discussing the cap with them as they were on TV denying there was a cap when she announced it. I acknowledge that she may have spads (special advisors) but these are he own personal advisors and she has the final say on what is and isn't announced as we have seen with the cap, discussed with unelected advisors and not discussed with cabinet colleagues.
