Jeremy Corbyn

[Chippy_Tea]

A note has just turned up better late than never, well maybe not :lol:

 

[shepp]

More like she got wind that the BBC would rig the audience with marxists

 

[Linalmeemow]

Given the bias against Corbyn from the BBC (and pretty much all of the mass media) that might bring some much-needed balance. Not that it happened, of course, other than in the paranoid minds of the right.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

More like she got wind that the BBC would rig the audience with marxists

If there had been no audience she still wouldn't have turned up, she called an election that was never needed and that she said would not happen because she was sure she was going to have a landslide victory then came the U turns and to be honest i am not surprised she didn't want to face her opponents they would have made mincemeat out of here audience or no audience..

Number 6 is my favourite - 6. Early election: “There isn’t going to be one. It isn’t going to happen. There is not going to be a general election,” Mrs May’s spokesman said in March. A month later, with the Tory poll lead in double figures, she announced that she had “reluctantly” decided a vote was necessary to strengthen her hand before Brexit negotiations.




Theresa May’s 9 U-turns

For a prime minister who has promised to offer strong and stable leadership, Theresa May has a record of rapid U-turns.

Here are the big policy shifts during the past 12 months:

1. Brexit: Mrs May was not a vocal Remainer but she was a firm one, saying in April 2016 that “on balance, and given the tests I set earlier in my speech, I believe the case to remain a member of the European Union is strong”.

A week after the vote she spun on her heels, launching her leadership campaign with the words “Brexit means Brexit”.

2. A British bill of rights: During the referendum campaign, Mrs May advocated leaving the European Convention of Human Rights, whose rules on the use of evidence gained by torture had frustrated her as home secretary. The convention, she said, “can bind the hands of parliament, adds nothing to our prosperity, [and] makes us less secure”. She called instead for a British bill of rights.

But, bidding for the Conservative leadership, she made clear that she had changed her mind. Her 2017 Conservative manifesto also says Britain will remain a signatory of the ECHR “for the duration of the next parliament”.


3. Hinkley Point: Almost the prime minister’s first significant decision was to review plans to allow an £18bn new nuclear reactor backed by French and Chinese companies. That reflected concerns about China’s influence over Britain’s power supply and caused a rift in relations with Beijing. But in September, Downing Street said it had completed the review and the go-ahead, with only minor restrictions on France’s EDF selling its stake during construction.

4. Workers on boards: In September, she promised to ensure “not just consumers [are] represented on company boards, but workers as well”. That was interpreted as meaning trade union representatives on boards, a prospect opposed by cabinet ministers including chancellor Philip Hammond.

The Conservative manifesto described a weaker policy: “listed companies will be required either to nominate a director from the workforce, create a formal employee advisory council or assign specific responsibility for employee representation to a designated non-executive director”.

5. National insurance: Mr Hammond’s budget in March announced that self-employed workers would pay higher national insurance contributions, breaching a promise in the 2015 Conservative manifesto not to increase the tax. The change would have raised an estimated £500m a year, but the headlines were terrible. Mrs May pulled the plug and a U-turn was announced a week later.

6. Early election: “There isn’t going to be one. It isn’t going to happen. There is not going to be a general election,” Mrs May’s spokesman said in March. A month later, with the Tory poll lead in double figures, she announced that she had “reluctantly” decided a vote was necessary to strengthen her hand before Brexit negotiations.

7. Energy price caps: Ed Miliband’s promise to freeze energy prices appeared to have been resurrected by Mrs May. “Ministers are poised to unveil a cap on energy prices,” reported the Daily Mail newspaper, days before the Conservative manifesto launch.

But the actual manifesto promise turned out to be less radical: “an independent review . . . to make recommendations as to how we can ensure UK energy costs are as low as possible, while ensuring a reliable supply and allowing us to meet our 2050 carbon reduction objective. Our ambition is that the UK should have the lowest energy costs in Europe, both for households and businesses.”


8. Social care: On Thursday, the Conservative manifesto was clear: rich people requiring care in their homes would be obliged to pay for it, unless they had less than £100,000 in assets including the family home. The move soon became labelled a “dementia tax”. On Sunday, Boris Johnson said he understood critics’ concerns. On Monday, Mrs May announced that care payments would be capped.

9. Foreign worker lists: There was consternation among business in October when Amber Rudd, home secretary, suggested that companies would have to publish figures on their number of foreign workers. The precise wording was that companies would have to “be clear about the proportion of their workforce which is international”. The UK Independence party branded the plans a “step too far”. The government later said no data would be made public.

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[trueblue]

Given the bias against Corbyn from the BBC (and pretty much all of the mass media) that might bring some much-needed balance. Not that it happened, of course, other than in the paranoid minds of the right.

Totally agree, I have never know a UK broadcaster to be more bias than the BBC is towards the tory's at the moment

 

[shepp]

Given the bias against Corbyn from the BBC (and pretty much all of the mass media) that might bring some much-needed balance. Not that it happened, of course, other than in the paranoid minds of the right.

Did you watch it?
They were even jeering the presenter when she asked Corbyn vaguely pressing questions. Whooping and wailing whenever their great leader opened his mouth, it was pathetic.

Talking about paranoia, pot and kettle comer to mind

 

[geetee]

Did you watch it?
They were even jeering the presenter when she asked Corbyn vaguely pressing questions. Whooping and wailing whenever their great leader opened his mouth, it was pathetic.

Talking about paranoia, pot and kettle comer to mind

First: the audience was chosen by an independent polling panel, not the BBC

Second: they made sure than no one who was active in any campaign since 2104 was involved.

Third: the audience was chosen representative of the parties, roughly equal amounts of tory/Labour and pro rata for the smaller parties.

Fourth: They also ensured that the audience was equally split between remain and leavers.

in total you could not really get a more representative audience. Their laughter, applause and booing were spontaneous and if you work it out with 7 parties 5 would be leftish and 2 ( tory and UKIP) right wing.

This was not rigging, it's what you get when aPM does not turn up and a stooge is sent to answer for their record so far and teh non existant promises, most people their just could not believe it.

The BEEB were innocent , full stop! ( Except for the nonentity that failed to control the debate that is!)

 

[Godsdog]

First: the audience was chosen by an independent polling panel, not the BBC

Second: they made sure than no one who was active in any campaign since 2104 was involved.

Third: the audience was chosen representative of the parties, roughly equal amounts of tory/Labour and pro rata for the smaller parties.

Fourth: They also ensured that the audience was equally split between remain and leavers.

in total you could not really get a more representative audience. Their laughter, applause and booing were spontaneous and if you work it out with 7 parties 5 would be leftish and 2 ( tory and UKIP) right wing.

This was not rigging, it's what you get when aPM does not turn up and a stooge is sent to answer for their record so far and teh non existant promises, most people their just could not believe it.

The BEEB were innocent , full stop! ( Except for the nonentity that failed to control the debate that is!)

And you believe that? Lol

 

[Chippy_Tea]

First: the audience was chosen by an independent polling panel, not the BBC

Second: they made sure than no one who was active in any campaign since 2104 was involved.

Third: the audience was chosen representative of the parties, roughly equal amounts of tory/Labour and pro rata for the smaller parties.

Fourth: They also ensured that the audience was equally split between remain and leavers.

in total you could not really get a more representative audience. Their laughter, applause and booing were spontaneous and if you work it out with 7 parties 5 would be leftish and 2 ( tory and UKIP) right wing.

This was not rigging, it's what you get when aPM does not turn up and a stooge is sent to answer for their record so far and teh non existant promises, most people their just could not believe it.

The BEEB were innocent , full stop! ( Except for the nonentity that failed to control the debate that is!)

Now you've blown it you've introduced facts into the conversation :lol:

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[Chippy_Tea]

BBC election audience 'rigorously' selected - ComRes

The polling company chosen to select the audience for the BBC's election debate has defended its political make-up amid claims of "left-wing bias".

Andrew Hawkins, founder of ComRes, said the recruitment of people to watch the seven-way debate had been "more complex" than he had ever witnessed.

He said five of the parties were left of centre - which meant "cheering is going to be skewed in one direction".

But Boris Johnson said the debate was an "echo chamber for left-wing views".

Former UKIP leader Nigel Farage agreed, tweeting: "The BBC audience was full of left wingers tonight."

George Eaton, political editor of the left-leaning New Statesman also tweeted: "This feels like [the] most left-wing audience in any election debate."

The set-piece event, which took place in Cambridge, featured Labour's Jeremy Corbyn, Lib Dem leader Tim Farron, UKIP's Paul Nuttall, SNP deputy leader Angus Robertson, Green co-leader Caroline Lucas and Plaid Cymru's Leanne Wood.

Conservative leader Theresa May came in for some criticism for refusing to take part in the debate, with Home Secretary Amber Rudd taking her place.

The BBC said it commissioned ComRes to recruit an audience that was "representative of the country demographically and politically" and this included: age, gender, ethnicity, socio-economic factors, party politics, how they voted in the EU referendum and some who had been undecided.

During the debate there was cheering and booing which led some, including Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson, to suggest the audience was biased.

Mr Johnson told BBC Breakfast: "It was seven people speaking to probably the most left-wing studio audience the BBC has ever brought together."

But ComRes founder Mr Hawkins told BBC 5 live a lot of thought had gone into the audience selection.

155 people recruited for audience of 134

Two-phase online and telephone approach to recruitment

Audience members selected using detailed questionnaire designed by ComRes and approved by BBC

Adults who campaigned at any election from 2014 filtered out

Conservative and Labour had the largest share of supporters in the room

Smaller parties supported by appropriately lower number

50:50 split of Remain and Leave voters at EU referendum

Audience members contacted by phone and rescreened on key questions to ensure consistency with previous answers

Read: How ComRes recruited BBC TV debate audience

Mr Hawkins said: "If you have a panel of people - one from the governing party (Conservatives) - one from what's regarded as a right wing party (UKIP) and five from broadly left-wing parties, and you give those speakers equal airtime, it means you're giving five slots of airtime to the left-wing parties for every two slots to the not so left-wing parties.

"Therefore it's inevitable that the cheering is going to be skewed in one direction.

"What I can say is that the recruitment for this was more complex and more rigorously executed than any I've ever witnessed."

He said Brexit had added an extra layer of complications to the selection process because an equal number of Leavers and Remainers had to be chosen.
"We screened out people who have campaigned politically at any time in the last three years," he said.

"But equally, you need to get people who are politically engaged so the audience don't sit there and say nothing and do nothing, so you do get some reaction."

Mr Hawkins said the audience response was "a reflection of the fact that the Conservatives were on the back foot because Theresa May didn't turn up - and therefore it's a bit of an easy target".

The reaction of the audience during Wednesday night's televised debate was in contrast to the first ever UK General Election TV debates, from 2010, when the audience was not allowed to applaud during the programme, only at the beginning and end.

 

[geetee]

Now you've blown it you've introduced facts into the conversation :lol:

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Facts over conspiracy theories every time!
It's much more convenient like Trump, to think the press are after you when in reality the truth is the audience just did not like what they heard and did not see ( Mrs may)

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Facts over conspiracy theories every time!
It's much more convenient like Trump, to think the press are after you when in reality the truth is the audience just did not like what they heard and did not see ( Mrs may)

Spot on, the line from my last post says it all -

Mr Hawkins said the audience response was "a reflection of the fact that the Conservatives were on the back foot because Theresa May didn't turn up - and therefore it's a bit of an easy target".

 

[trueblue]

One thing that is standing out to me is one of Mrs May favorite soundbites is we need a strong leader but the more the campaign goes one the more I see her as a weak leader. Not just last nights no show but the constant u-turns, all the answers to interview questions are deflected with party soundbites most of which are just attacks of the opposition. I am not a natural supporter of Corbyn but I do feel at least he is showing people what they will get instead of giving out a load of bollocks that will be altered if elected. I don't think he will win but I also don't think she will get the landslide she was expecting.

 

[geetee]

One thing that is standing out to me is one of Mrs May favorite soundbites is we need a strong leader but the more the campaign goes one the more I see her as a weak leader. Not just last nights no show but the constant u-turns, all the answers to interview questions are deflected with party soundbites most of which are just attacks of the opposition. I am not a natural supporter of Corbyn but I do feel at least he is showing people what they will get instead of giving out a load of bollocks that will be altered if elected. I don't think he will win but I also don't think she will get the landslide she was expecting.

...and since his election as leader of the party that is all he has tried to do, ask the party to listen. you can now see that he does have a message and it is at least believable and principled. Once people have seen behind the personal attacks he is gaining more support, whether it is enough to win we will see, but I do believe this campaign has destroyed May as a strong and credible leader, if she were Japanese she would have fallen on her sword by now!

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Love it - nnnnnn

Gavin Jameson‏ @GavJam5 May 31

The last I saw of her was when she was using her strong hand in Europe #wherestheresa

 

[Covrich]

Jimmy Crankie making the same play for labour coalition..

IMO Corbyn needs to show some spine and make it clear right away no deal.. otherwise I think a repeat of 2015 is on.

 

[dad_of_jon]

We need balanced leadership, but since when did that win any election?

Any example gratefully received :thumb:

 

[geetee]

Jimmy Crankie making the same play for labour coalition..

IMO Corbyn needs to show some spine and make it clear right away no deal.. otherwise I think a repeat of 2015 is on.

The biggest problem with that is labour have only a very small chance ( if at all) of a majority so will have to depend on support from the other leftist parties, they share many policies with SNP. Once you say No Deal then there will be no support, it's cutting off your nose to spite your face!

 

[Covrich]

The biggest problem with that is labour have only a very small chance ( if at all) of a majority so will have to depend on support from the other leftist parties, they share many policies with SNP. Once you say No Deal then there will be no support, it's cutting off your nose to spite your face!

That's fair enough but don't be surprised if it turns a lot of people away..

 

[dad_of_jon]

If there had been no audience she still wouldn't have turned up, she called an election that was never needed and that she said would not happen because she was sure she was going to have a landslide victory then came the U turns and to be honest i am not surprised she didn't want to face her opponents they would have made mincemeat out of here audience or no audience..

Number 6 is my favourite - 6. Early election: “There isn’t going to be one. It isn’t going to happen. There is not going to be a general election,” Mrs May’s spokesman said in March. A month later, with the Tory poll lead in double figures, she announced that she had “reluctantly” decided a vote was necessary to strengthen her hand before Brexit negotiations.

Theresa May’s 9 U-turns

For a prime minister who has promised to offer strong and stable leadership, Theresa May has a record of rapid U-turns.

Here are the big policy shifts during the past 12 months:

1. Brexit: Mrs May was not a vocal Remainer but she was a firm one, saying in April 2016 that “on balance, and given the tests I set earlier in my speech, I believe the case to remain a member of the European Union is strong”.

A week after the vote she spun on her heels, launching her leadership campaign with the words “Brexit means Brexit”.

2. A British bill of rights: During the referendum campaign, Mrs May advocated leaving the European Convention of Human Rights, whose rules on the use of evidence gained by torture had frustrated her as home secretary. The convention, she said, “can bind the hands of parliament, adds nothing to our prosperity, [and] makes us less secure”. She called instead for a British bill of rights.

But, bidding for the Conservative leadership, she made clear that she had changed her mind. Her 2017 Conservative manifesto also says Britain will remain a signatory of the ECHR “for the duration of the next parliament”.


3. Hinkley Point: Almost the prime minister’s first significant decision was to review plans to allow an �£18bn new nuclear reactor backed by French and Chinese companies. That reflected concerns about China’s influence over Britain’s power supply and caused a rift in relations with Beijing. But in September, Downing Street said it had completed the review and the go-ahead, with only minor restrictions on France’s EDF selling its stake during construction.

4. Workers on boards: In September, she promised to ensure “not just consumers [are] represented on company boards, but workers as well”. That was interpreted as meaning trade union representatives on boards, a prospect opposed by cabinet ministers including chancellor Philip Hammond.

The Conservative manifesto described a weaker policy: “listed companies will be required either to nominate a director from the workforce, create a formal employee advisory council or assign specific responsibility for employee representation to a designated non-executive director”.

5. National insurance: Mr Hammond’s budget in March announced that self-employed workers would pay higher national insurance contributions, breaching a promise in the 2015 Conservative manifesto not to increase the tax. The change would have raised an estimated �£500m a year, but the headlines were terrible. Mrs May pulled the plug and a U-turn was announced a week later.

6. Early election: “There isn’t going to be one. It isn’t going to happen. There is not going to be a general election,” Mrs May’s spokesman said in March. A month later, with the Tory poll lead in double figures, she announced that she had “reluctantly” decided a vote was necessary to strengthen her hand before Brexit negotiations.

7. Energy price caps: Ed Miliband’s promise to freeze energy prices appeared to have been resurrected by Mrs May. “Ministers are poised to unveil a cap on energy prices,” reported the Daily Mail newspaper, days before the Conservative manifesto launch.

But the actual manifesto promise turned out to be less radical: “an independent review . . . to make recommendations as to how we can ensure UK energy costs are as low as possible, while ensuring a reliable supply and allowing us to meet our 2050 carbon reduction objective. Our ambition is that the UK should have the lowest energy costs in Europe, both for households and businesses.”


8. Social care: On Thursday, the Conservative manifesto was clear: rich people requiring care in their homes would be obliged to pay for it, unless they had less than �£100,000 in assets including the family home. The move soon became labelled a “dementia tax”. On Sunday, Boris Johnson said he understood critics’ concerns. On Monday, Mrs May announced that care payments would be capped.

9. Foreign worker lists: There was consternation among business in October when Amber Rudd, home secretary, suggested that companies would have to publish figures on their number of foreign workers. The precise wording was that companies would have to “be clear about the proportion of their workforce which is international”. The UK Independence party branded the plans a “step too far”. The government later said no data would be made public.

Financial times.









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I've gotta say chippy the phrase U turns is meant (in the press) as a derogatory statement. Yet doesn't that indicate a willingness to listen? someone (can't remember who), said when the facts change I change my mind. I prefer to follow that person rather than someone with a fixed idealogy.

If I learnt that galaxy hops were picked by people who were being whipped (this is hypothetical - please do not sue me), then i'd no longer buy galaxy hops (unless that led to even more whipping) even though I love them.