Ireland's Trouble's legacy bill

[Robin54]

A very expensive war that needed to end and was about to start up again and then the atrocity to end all atrocities happens

No one wins a war, history has proved time and again. I just wish people could live in peace.

 

[BallymoneyB]

What a lot don’t realise is there were 3 sets of “terrorist” in Northern Ireland. Republican loyalist and British.

What a lot don't realise is the extent of the ongoing campaign to rewrite history.

 

[samale]

What a lot don't realise is the extent of the ongoing campaign to rewrite history.

Have you any specific events that you are referring to. Bloody Sunday might be one, Widgery report was found to be a whitewash. Later the Saville inquiry lay bare the facts. Is that what you refer to as rewriting history. Seeking truth and justice should be open all victim's of the troubles

 

[Donegal john]

What a lot don't realise is the extent of the ongoing campaign to rewrite history.

Did you watch the documentary recently where Jackson laughed about abduction and torture of innocent men ?
History can be rewritten in the minds of some but not in the hearts of many.
On ALL sides

 

[Chippy_Tea]

We have received a complaint about the latest posts in this thread so I am locking it now and the mods will discuss this when they log in.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

We have discussed the report and have decided as no rules were broken we should open the thread again.

This is an emotive subject so could we ask members to post in a civil manner you may totally disagree with what other members post but they have the right to post it as long as it doesn't break any rules, we have also decided due to it being an emotive topic that the thread will be locked at 9 pm(ish) and opened again in the morning with luck this will stop a few downed home brews having a negative effect on the manner of posting here.

 

[Robin54]

Alcohol and reasoned discussion dont go hand in hand

 

[samale]

We have discussed the report and have decided as no rules were broken we should open the thread again.

This is an emotive subject so could we ask members to post in a civil manner you may totally disagree with what other members post but they have the right to post it as long as it doesn't break any rules, we have also decided due to it being an emotive topic that the thread will be locked at 9 pm(ish) and opened again in the morning with luck this will stop a few downed home brews having a negative effect on the manner of posting here.

What was the nature of the compliant. Anything posted is factual information, the thread was started to highlight the case of Aidan McAnespie. One of many murdered in Ireland and covered up.

 

[An Ankoù]

If you're going to have a statute of limitations than justice has to be done a lot more swiftly than this. Frankly, I'm in favour of both.

 

[Donegal john]

If you're going to have a statute of limitations than justice has to be done a lot more swiftly than this. Frankly, I'm in favour of both.

Questions on why the enquiry took so long to get the go ahead.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

So just to be clear. Every thread that you receive a complaint on is shut down immediately until all the mods discuss it ?

Generally speaking yes the exception being if the post reported breaks forum rules it will be removed immediately by the firs mod to read the report in the mods area.

The problem with not locking the thread when a post is reported is if everyone piles in on it with several quotes etc it makes moderating the thread a nightmare hours later when we have had chance to discuss it, bear in mind we are not here every hour of the day so its sometimes difficult to get a quick decision.

 

[samale]

If you're going to have a statute of limitations than justice has to be done a lot more swiftly than this. Frankly, I'm in favour of both.

Government policy to kick the can down the road. Long enough for the person accused to die off

 

[Chippy_Tea]

So just to be clear. Every thread that you receive a complaint on is shut down immediately until all the mods discuss it ?

Generally speaking yes the exception being if the post reported breaks forum rules it will be removed immediately by the firs mod to read the report in the mods area.

The problem with not locking the thread when a post is reported is if everyone piles in on it with several quotes etc it makes moderating the thread a nightmare hours later when we have had chance to discuss it, bear in mind we are not here every hour of the day so its sometimes difficult to get a quick decision.

Edit to add -
I have explained how we moderate reports and have now removed several negative posts about the person who reported and why they did it, you have your thread back lets just call it water under the bridge for the good of the thread.

 

[Donegal john]

Another damming report

https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news...d-with-loyalists-in-the-troubles-report-finds

 

[Donegal john]

And here’s some background information for anyone interested but hasn’t much knowledge of affairs in Northern Ireland

https://www.statewatch.org/media/documents/analyses/no-221-perfidious-albion.pdf

 

[Tony623]

Shame this thread was allowed to continue but hey ho free speech and all that, even if there is/has been hate speech in this thread that really should not be allowed to go on. So, to balance things a little, here is a reminder for anyone interested/has short term memory loss/misguided conspiracy theories or complete denial of the disgusting atrocities carried out on the mainland.

Here is a timeline of some of the worst bomb attacks on mainland Britain by Irish dissident groups in the last 35 years.

February 1974 - Coach carrying soldiers and families in northern England is bombed by the Irish Republican Army (IRA). Twelve people killed, 14 hurt.

October-November 1974 - Wave of IRA bombs in British pubs kills 28 people and wounds more than 200.

July 1982 - Two IRA bomb attacks on soldiers in London’s royal parks kill 11 people and wound 50.


December 1983 - IRA bomb at Harrods department store kills six.

October 1984 - Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher’s cabinet narrowly escapes IRA bomb that kills five people at Brighton hotel during Conservative Party’s annual conference.

September 1989 - Bomb at Royal Marines Music School in Deal, southeast England, kills 11 and wounds 22.

February 1990 - Explosion at Army recruitment centre in Leicester. Two wounded.

May 1990 - Seven wounded by blast at Army Educational Service headquarters in London suburb of Eltham.


May 1990 - One soldier is killed and another wounded by car bomb in Wembley.

June 1990 - Soldier is shot dead at train station in Lichfield.

February 1991 - IRA comes close to killing Prime Minister John Major and key cabinet members in a mortar attack on Downing Street. One of three mortar bombs slammed into garden behind building, exploding within 50 feet (15 metres) of the target.

April 1992 - Huge car bomb outside Baltic Exchange in London’s financial district kills three people and wounds 91.

March 1993 - Bombs in two litter bins in Warrington kill two boys aged three and 12.


April 1993 - IRA truck bomb devastates Bishopsgate area of London’s financial district, killing one and wounding 44.

February 1996 - Two people die when IRA paramilitaries detonate large bomb in London’s Docklands area.

March 2001 - Car bomb explodes outside BBC’s London headquarters. Police say the Real IRA, a republican splinter group opposed to the IRA’s cease-fire, was behind the blast. One man was wounded.

May 2011 - A warning comes from Irish dissident republicans opposed to the peace process in Northern Ireland.

Source:Timeline - Worst IRA bomb attacks on mainland Britain


Let’s also not forget the cowardly actions abroad and in the province.

And yes, I am sure there was provocation on both sides that ended up with a very sad outcome. Let’s also remember who has a get/keep out of jail card issued by bLiar and his cronies and who has not!

Lastly I do sincerely believe this thread has no place here and should be consigned to the bin. Move on and get brewing!

 

[Bosch]

I do not want to speak for anyone else, but I don't see anyone condoning murders by the IRA.
Sorry you interpreted it that way

 

[samale]

Shame this thread was allowed to continue but hey ho free speech and all that, even if there is/has been hate speech in this thread that really should not be allowed to go on. So, to balance things a little, here is a reminder for anyone interested/has short term memory loss/misguided conspiracy theories or complete denial of the disgusting atrocities carried out on the mainland.

Here is a timeline of some of the worst bomb attacks on mainland Britain by Irish dissident groups in the last 35 years.

February 1974 - Coach carrying soldiers and families in northern England is bombed by the Irish Republican Army (IRA). Twelve people killed, 14 hurt.

October-November 1974 - Wave of IRA bombs in British pubs kills 28 people and wounds more than 200.

July 1982 - Two IRA bomb attacks on soldiers in London’s royal parks kill 11 people and wound 50.


December 1983 - IRA bomb at Harrods department store kills six.

October 1984 - Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher’s cabinet narrowly escapes IRA bomb that kills five people at Brighton hotel during Conservative Party’s annual conference.

September 1989 - Bomb at Royal Marines Music School in Deal, southeast England, kills 11 and wounds 22.

February 1990 - Explosion at Army recruitment centre in Leicester. Two wounded.

May 1990 - Seven wounded by blast at Army Educational Service headquarters in London suburb of Eltham.


May 1990 - One soldier is killed and another wounded by car bomb in Wembley.

June 1990 - Soldier is shot dead at train station in Lichfield.

February 1991 - IRA comes close to killing Prime Minister John Major and key cabinet members in a mortar attack on Downing Street. One of three mortar bombs slammed into garden behind building, exploding within 50 feet (15 metres) of the target.

April 1992 - Huge car bomb outside Baltic Exchange in London’s financial district kills three people and wounds 91.

March 1993 - Bombs in two litter bins in Warrington kill two boys aged three and 12.


April 1993 - IRA truck bomb devastates Bishopsgate area of London’s financial district, killing one and wounding 44.

February 1996 - Two people die when IRA paramilitaries detonate large bomb in London’s Docklands area.

March 2001 - Car bomb explodes outside BBC’s London headquarters. Police say the Real IRA, a republican splinter group opposed to the IRA’s cease-fire, was behind the blast. One man was wounded.

May 2011 - A warning comes from Irish dissident republicans opposed to the peace process in Northern Ireland.

Source:Timeline - Worst IRA bomb attacks on mainland Britain


Let’s also not forget the cowardly actions abroad and in the province.

And yes, I am sure there was provocation on both sides that ended up with a very sad outcome. Let’s also remember who has a get/keep out of jail card issued by bLiar and his cronies and who has not!

Lastly I do sincerely believe this thread has no place here and should be consigned to the bin. Move on and get brewing!

Sorry could you highlight the hate speech in the thread.

 

[Donegal john]

As above no hate speech or condoning of any murders or bombs came from me or anyone else I have read on this thread.

 

[samale]

Shame this thread was allowed to continue but hey ho free speech and all that, even if there is/has been hate speech in this thread that really should not be allowed to go on. So, to balance things a little, here is a reminder for anyone interested/has short term memory loss/misguided conspiracy theories or complete denial of the disgusting atrocities carried out on the mainland.

Here is a timeline of some of the worst bomb attacks on mainland Britain by Irish dissident groups in the last 35 years.

February 1974 - Coach carrying soldiers and families in northern England is bombed by the Irish Republican Army (IRA). Twelve people killed, 14 hurt.

October-November 1974 - Wave of IRA bombs in British pubs kills 28 people and wounds more than 200.

July 1982 - Two IRA bomb attacks on soldiers in London’s royal parks kill 11 people and wound 50.


December 1983 - IRA bomb at Harrods department store kills six.

October 1984 - Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher’s cabinet narrowly escapes IRA bomb that kills five people at Brighton hotel during Conservative Party’s annual conference.

September 1989 - Bomb at Royal Marines Music School in Deal, southeast England, kills 11 and wounds 22.

February 1990 - Explosion at Army recruitment centre in Leicester. Two wounded.

May 1990 - Seven wounded by blast at Army Educational Service headquarters in London suburb of Eltham.


May 1990 - One soldier is killed and another wounded by car bomb in Wembley.

June 1990 - Soldier is shot dead at train station in Lichfield.

February 1991 - IRA comes close to killing Prime Minister John Major and key cabinet members in a mortar attack on Downing Street. One of three mortar bombs slammed into garden behind building, exploding within 50 feet (15 metres) of the target.

April 1992 - Huge car bomb outside Baltic Exchange in London’s financial district kills three people and wounds 91.

March 1993 - Bombs in two litter bins in Warrington kill two boys aged three and 12.


April 1993 - IRA truck bomb devastates Bishopsgate area of London’s financial district, killing one and wounding 44.

February 1996 - Two people die when IRA paramilitaries detonate large bomb in London’s Docklands area.

March 2001 - Car bomb explodes outside BBC’s London headquarters. Police say the Real IRA, a republican splinter group opposed to the IRA’s cease-fire, was behind the blast. One man was wounded.

May 2011 - A warning comes from Irish dissident republicans opposed to the peace process in Northern Ireland.

Source:Timeline - Worst IRA bomb attacks on mainland Britain


Let’s also not forget the cowardly actions abroad and in the province.

And yes, I am sure there was provocation on both sides that ended up with a very sad outcome. Let’s also remember who has a get/keep out of jail card issued by bLiar and his cronies and who has not!

Lastly I do sincerely believe this thread has no place here and should be consigned to the bin. Move on and get brewing!

All factual and very sad I hope the people responsible faced justice.