Grain prices creeping up.

[RoomWithABrew]

Isn't it also related to the jump in wheat prices on the world market. Malters have to pay more for barley to the farmer otherwise they will not grow barley but wheat.

 

[Stu's Brews]

Same as petrol, if you want to drive you have to buy at the market price. We all like a moan but the only other option is to stop brewing.

This. If businesses/consumers are prepared to pay the higher prices then they can charge whatever they want. That is pretty basic market economics.

It's also why we are staring a recession in the face. People will buy less because of the inflated prices which will result in the economy slowing down. As a result it will force prices to come down.

The above is all true for commodities sold on the open market like grain. It's not however true for energy for which prices are regulated; and that does need a serious overhaul because as @Clarence highlighted earlier the prices are based on the costs of producing energy from the more expensive (and less sustainable) sources.

https://www.instituteforgovernment....ch half-hour trading,pay as you clear' model.
'In each half-hour trading period, the marginal cost of the last generating unit used to meet demand sets the price that the buyers (energy suppliers or traders) pay to the sellers (energy generators or traders) – known as a ‘pay as you clear’ model.

The marginal producer of electricity in the UK is most often gas because it is one of the most expensive sources, so is chosen last in the ‘merit order’ on the spot market. But it serves a vital role because gas-fired power stations can be easily switched on and off at short notice to make sure that supply balances to meet demand. Renewable energy sources, on the other hand, are unpredictable due to changes in weather, while nuclear energy provides a fairly constant source of power that is difficult to turn on and off.

This means that, although generation methods that have low marginal cost (including renewables and nuclear) produce the majority of UK electricity, the price that is paid for it in both wholesale and retail markets is set much higher, at the marginal cost of generating electricity with gas.'

 

[Clarence]

Jesus. Here we go again.
What action do you propose? Blocking the m25?

What do you propose?

I wasn't aware the M25 was actually navigable these days.

 

[Cheshire Cat]

What do you propose?

I wasn't aware the M25 was actually navigable these days.

Is M25 a Mangrove Jack yeast?

 

[Clarence]

Is M25 a Mangrove Jack yeast?

If the price is creeping up? Then probably.

If not its a recreational area for Stop Oil, Extinction Rebellion and Jarrow Marchers.

 

[Leon103]

What do you propose?

I wasn't aware the M25 was actually navigable these days.

That we pay the price of grain and stop blaming energy companies.

 

[Clarence]

That we pay the price of grain and stop blaming energy companies.

Why do we let poor little energy companies off the hook. I know they're really scraping along at the moment. But someone suggested earlier we should blame the fertiliser companies-well I thought they were full of shi+, but each one to his own. I think someone else suggested, too, that labour costs had gone up and the newspapers have been flooded with articles on inflation-busting wage settlements. How true and it's thoroughly unfair to pick on the energy companies.
Your proposal, then, is that we roll over and take it gratefully up the jacksie with a smile on our collective faces, but we mustn't complain or rock the boat or anything so thoroughly unbritish as that... and wait for the next hike.
Did you say you worked for Crisp's?

 

[An Ankoù]

Why do we let poor little energy companies off the hook. I know they're really scraping along at the moment. But someone suggested earlier we should blame the fertiliser companies-well I thought they were full of shi+, but each one to his own. I think someone else suggested, too, that labour costs had gone up and the newspapers have been flooded with articles on inflation-busting wage settlements. How true and it's thoroughly unfair to pick on the energy companies.
Your proposal, then, is that we roll over and take it gratefully up the jacksie with a smile on our collective faces, but we mustn't complain or rock the boat or anything so thoroughly unbritish as that... and wait for the next hike.
Did you say you worked for Crisp's?

Nice one Clarence,
Nice one son.
Nice one Clarence,
Let's have another one.

You really are beginning to put me out of a job.

 

[The Baron]

Nice one Clarence,
Nice one son.
Nice one Clarence,
Let's have another one.

You really are beginning to put me out of a job.

His real name is Cyril

 

[Stan's Brew]

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[Stu's Brews]

Why do we let poor little energy companies off the hook. I know they're really scraping along at the moment. But someone suggested earlier we should blame the fertiliser companies-well I thought they were full of shi+, but each one to his own. I think someone else suggested, too, that labour costs had gone up and the newspapers have been flooded with articles on inflation-busting wage settlements. How true and it's thoroughly unfair to pick on the energy companies.
Your proposal, then, is that we roll over and take it gratefully up the jacksie with a smile on our collective faces, but we mustn't complain or rock the boat or anything so thoroughly unbritish as that... and wait for the next hike.
Did you say you worked for Crisp's?

The problem is, not buying grain hurts pretty much everyone except the energy companies.

 

[Clarence]

The problem is, not buying grain hurts pretty much everyone except the energy companies.

I can't argue with that.

 

[Leon103]

Why do we let poor little energy companies off the hook. I know they're really scraping along at the moment. But someone suggested earlier we should blame the fertiliser companies-well I thought they were full of shi+, but each one to his own. I think someone else suggested, too, that labour costs had gone up and the newspapers have been flooded with articles on inflation-busting wage settlements. How true and it's thoroughly unfair to pick on the energy companies.
Your proposal, then, is that we roll over and take it gratefully up the jacksie with a smile on our collective faces, but we mustn't complain or rock the boat or anything so thoroughly unbritish as that... and wait for the next hike.
Did you say you worked for Crisp's?

Instead do some research in what is costing the grain companies. Energy would be a small part. Start with the grain, to fertiliser, staff transport, fuel, etc. All adds up.

You have options and shop around. Not sure why it's the energy companies fault. They are a business who need to turn a profit for their shareholders, if they don't the business will fold.

It seems like most debates on here and elsewhere turns into a blame the energy company debate. They are providing a service, companies don't have to use them, like you don't have to pay for grain.

Ps - no I don't work for crisp. Just a poor farmer growing my own grain.

 

[ColinGee]

Saw yesterday that Brew UK's price for 25kg of Crisp MO is £44.10 (currently reduced to £39.69)

Haven't bought for a year as I wound down to move house, and cannot believe the hike!!

 

[An Ankoù]

Best price I've seen so far is £29.60 a sack at Tucker's Country Stores in Devon. They'll deliver within 20 miles. If i still lived in Poole I'd be buying my malt from there and driving down to pick up a few sacks. A nice day out.

 

[samale]

I was looking at Minch Malt last week it was £24 thats a big jump £40 . GEB are still £26.95 for Crisps Best Ale Malt if anyone is ordering

I can't find this

 

[samale]

https://www.geterbrewed.com/crisp-best-ale-malt-ebc-5.0-7.0/
42.90 now for 25kg

 

[Leon103]

https://www.geterbrewed.com/crisp-best-ale-malt-ebc-5.0-7.0/
42.90 now for 25kg

Long gone the days of £19 for a sack of minch malt

 

[Cheshire Cat]

Best price I've seen so far is £29.60 a sack at Tucker's Country Stores in Devon. They'll deliver within 20 miles. If i still lived in Poole I'd be buying my malt from there and driving down to pick up a few sacks. A nice day out.

Post 19
The malt is Warminster not their own as the Maltings in Newton Abbey closed for malting in 2018. I bought the NA Malt before it closed for £30 a 25kg so this is a bargain. I have bought once from Crediton and the sales manager dropped it off in NA. We’ve a place in Brixham so I’ll probably get some next time we’re there.

 

[An Ankoù]

Post 19
The malt is Warminster not their own as the Maltings in Newton Abbey closed for malting in 2018. I bought the NA Malt before it closed for £30 a 25kg so this is a bargain. I have bought once from Crediton and the sales manager dropped it off in NA. We’ve a place in Brixham so I’ll probably get some next time we’re there.

Aha, I see.
Got someone going into Sandforfd Orchards in Crediton this morning to pick me up a couple of cases of Devon Scrumpy. I think I'd be pushing my luck asking them to lug sacks of malt as well, but maybe next time. In any case, THBC hadn't hiked the price of their Golden Promise so I've got a sack of that lurking around in Oirschot (Netherlands) at the moment.

Used to get all my malt from Tucker's Malting in Newton Abbott in the early noughties. Good stuff, too, but with a noticeable variation in extraction from bag to bag. Back in the day, they were the only supplier who'd top up your sack to the full 30 Kg to get the best value for postage.