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[MrRock]

Yes a lager or pilsner malt would have been good for a xtra pale malt sub. You chose correctly for carapils instead of cara malt but medium crystal isn't dark enough for crystal 150.
I think I might sticky a malt substitution chart in the yeast, grains and water forum so people can see what to get if there regular supplier doesnt have what they want

Good to know thanks, I think I went with the "Colour 130-150" in the geterbrewed description and hoped for the best. It looked ok at bottling but I'll know for sure when I do a comparison with the real thing.

A chart would be helpful. I did find a couple but they just confused me more!

 

[Brew_DD2]

Aye that's a great idea MyQul. Would be a very helpful addition.

 

[MyQul]

Aye that's a great idea MyQul. Would be a very helpful addition.

Done. http://www.thehomebrewforum.co.uk/showthread.php?p=587360#post587360

 

[Brew_DD2]

That's superb MyQul!

 

[rubby]

Some companies deliver your orders without bothering you. Being Fast!

 

[MrRock]

Yes a lager or pilsner malt would have been good for a xtra pale malt sub. You chose correctly for carapils instead of cara malt but medium crystal isn't dark enough for crystal 150.
I think I might sticky a malt substitution chart in the yeast, grains and water forum so people can see what to get if there regular supplier doesnt have what they want

This has been bugging me as I always get confused with the different malt names between different shops & maltsters and end up winging it, so it would be good to get to the bottom of it.

I've been doing some more digging and I've come to the conclusion the Crystal 150 in the Brewdog recipe is referring to EBC or IOB, whereas the Crystal 120 or whatever in the malt substitution chart you posted (which is actually one of the ones I had looked at and got confused) is referring to Lovibond.
So I think I got lucky again as the Medium Crystal I chose looks about right at 130-150 IOB, 140-160 EBC, as I believe 120L would be much darker at over 300 EBC.

Some of the other recipes in DIYDOG call for Dark Crystal 350, which I think is too high to be a Lovibond number, but looks to be in the correct EBC/IOB range for Dark Crystal.

Here's some links I've been digging up:
Thomas Fawcett (EBC): http://www.fawcett-maltsters.co.uk/uploads/2/0/2/6/20260333/spec_table_ebc.pdf
Crystal Malt = 150-175 EBC

Thomas Fawcett (Lovibond): http://www.fawcett-maltsters.co.uk/uploads/2/0/2/6/20260333/spec_table_asbc.pdf
Crystal Malt I = 40-50 Lovibond

Thomas Fawcett (IOB): http://www.fawcett-maltsters.co.uk/uploads/2/0/2/6/20260333/spec_table_iob.pdf
Crystal Malt = 120-140 IOB EBC

Bairds: http://www.brewersselect.co.uk/document/38
Crystal Medium = 140-160 EBC

Muntons: http://www.muntons-inc.com/craft-brewery-products/
Crystal Malt 150 = 130-170 EBC

Briess: http://www.briessmalting.com/Assets/PDFs/Briess_TypicalAnalysis_Flyer.pdf
Interestingly they don't have anything called Crystal, but do have Caramel Malt 120L = 120 Lovibond = 318 EBC (according to this calculator https://www.brewtoad.com/tools/color-converter)

So I now have a better understanding of why I was so confused when looking the malt substitution chart, but it is still useful so long as you know that any figures are in Lovibond.

Hope that helps someone

 

[Notlaw]

I don't get why Fawcett's say you can only use something like Vienna or Munich up to 20%, when other guides say Vienna can be used up to 100%, as can Munich (although rarely used above 80%). Is there something different about their Vienna and Munich?

 

[MyQul]

This has been bugging me as I always get confused with the different malt names between different shops & maltsters and end up winging it, so it would be good to get to the bottom of it.

I've been doing some more digging and I've come to the conclusion the Crystal 150 in the Brewdog recipe is referring to EBC or IOB, whereas the Crystal 120 or whatever in the malt substitution chart you posted (which is actually one of the ones I had looked at and got confused) is referring to Lovibond.
So I think I got lucky again as the Medium Crystal I chose looks about right at 130-150 IOB, 140-160 EBC, as I believe 120L would be much darker at over 300 EBC.

Some of the other recipes in DIYDOG call for Dark Crystal 350, which I think is too high to be a Lovibond number, but looks to be in the correct EBC/IOB range for Dark Crystal.

Here's some links I've been digging up:
Thomas Fawcett (EBC): http://www.fawcett-maltsters.co.uk/uploads/2/0/2/6/20260333/spec_table_ebc.pdf
Crystal Malt = 150-175 EBC

Thomas Fawcett (Lovibond): http://www.fawcett-maltsters.co.uk/uploads/2/0/2/6/20260333/spec_table_asbc.pdf
Crystal Malt I = 40-50 Lovibond

Thomas Fawcett (IOB): http://www.fawcett-maltsters.co.uk/uploads/2/0/2/6/20260333/spec_table_iob.pdf
Crystal Malt = 120-140 IOB EBC

Bairds: http://www.brewersselect.co.uk/document/38
Crystal Medium = 140-160 EBC

Muntons: http://www.muntons-inc.com/craft-brewery-products/
Crystal Malt 150 = 130-170 EBC

Briess: http://www.briessmalting.com/Assets/PDFs/Briess_TypicalAnalysis_Flyer.pdf
Interestingly they don't have anything called Crystal, but do have Caramel Malt 120L = 120 Lovibond = 318 EBC (according to this calculator https://www.brewtoad.com/tools/color-converter)

So I now have a better understanding of why I was so confused when looking the malt substitution chart, but it is still useful so long as you know that any figures are in Lovibond.

Hope that helps someone

I think a lot of figures over the internet are in Lovibond as it's what Americans use but you can always be sure. So thanks for the extra info :thumb:

 

[MyQul]

I don't get why Fawcett's say you can only use something like Vienna or Munich up to 20%, when other guides say Vienna can be used up to 100%, as can Munich (although rarely used above 80%). Is there something different about their Vienna and Munich?

I beedin hope you can use vienna up to 100% cuz I've just made a Vienna pseudo lager with 87% of the stuff

 

[chub1]

I beedin hope you can use vienna up to 100% cuz I've just made a Vienna pseudo lager with 87% of the stuff

I see Weyermann say that it can be used up to 100%
Here's a link-
Weyermann®

 

[GlentoranMark]

I've visited the Geterbrewed store, it's actually a farm shop with a small selection of kits and equipment at the front and a warehouse not open to the public at the rear.

My only gripe is buying instore is 10% more expensive. I'd like to telephone or email my order and pick it up same day/ next day and pay instore. I don't understand why it's more expensive as there's no packaging involved.

Saying that, I've ordered a couple of times and have had no problems. I also won hops in the forum competition and left a review, I'll leave more reviews when I order but probably not on hops as I'm hopeless distinguishing flavours and aromas.

 

[F00b4r]

I'm pretty sure when you order online you have the option of picking up your order the next day.

 

[MrRock]

For anyone who's interested, I've had it confirmed from Brewdog that the "Crystal 150" type numbers in the DIY Dog recipes refer to the EBC colour, so the examples I posted earlier would be appropriate selections, for Briess it would probably be Caramel Malt 60L

 

[geterbrewed]

I've visited the Geterbrewed store, it's actually a farm shop with a small selection of kits and equipment at the front and a warehouse not open to the public at the rear.

My only gripe is buying instore is 10% more expensive. I'd like to telephone or email my order and pick it up same day/ next day and pay instore. I don't understand why it's more expensive as there's no packaging involved.

Saying that, I've ordered a couple of times and have had no problems. I also won hops in the forum competition and left a review, I'll leave more reviews when I order but probably not on hops as I'm hopeless distinguishing flavours and aromas.

Hi

We offer the whole website instore Monday to Friday but the warehouse staff like the weekends off, we run a small display in the farmshop but offer the whole website if needed, as we pack and crush grains to order usually folk have a coffee in the cafe while we prepare your order.

If your wanting to telephone an order for collection it will be at website prices and ready for you usually within 24 hours, we have 50 plus orders a day going out so ask for a little time to prepare but will prepare to customers just dropping in also.

We are working on an exciting new area specifically for brewing and brewing supplies, Ill post up more details when its completed.

We do alot under one roof with a farmshop, butcher shop, cafe , homebrew and brewery all in one location trying to make it a great experience to visit, we have an open day coming up which will allow everyone to see how Nigel runs the farm to how we put out the freshest ingredients in the brewing industry plus a walk around the brewery. We have works ongoing to expand at the moment

Thanks for visiting and don't hesitate to ask for me the next time your in

Kind Regards

Jonathan

 

[geterbrewed]

I'm pretty sure when you order online you have the option of picking up your order the next day.

Yes just select free collection at checkout and we'll contact you when its ready to collect, usually via an email

 

[MyQul]

Hi

We offer the whole website instore Monday to Friday but the warehouse staff like the weekends off,

Absolutely outrageous! Bleedin' slackers!